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Old 09-08-2018, 01:27 PM   #16
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Re: *Update with pictures* Wall Removal - Mysterious ceiling Joist reinforcement


*This is a long post. Sorry for all the details.*
I finally started demo on this and I'm still confused. What I discovered was this wall is 90% "new" material because I found dates on drywall, and studs that say 2002, which is when they did the remodel. There is still some "original" wood in this wall though (looks like all the old darker wood in the attic, so I'm guessing it was part of the original design). Here's a bunch of pictures with comments. So the lighter wood is part of 2002 remodel and darker wood is original.

https://ibb.co/de8mzp
Left is toward the front of the house. I removed the drywall and I found this giant header. It's a 4x8 with 5 2x4s stacked on top instead of cripple studs. This is the only thing that makes me think it's load bearing, but also looks like they didn't know what they were doing. You can see that there is insulation in the wall (also on the other side of the doorway), but they had glass French double doors, so not much noise blocking. It also shows where the furnace intake cutout is.

https://ibb.co/cZzv9p
This is the front of the house before I removed the insulation.

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Here's the front of the house after I removed the insulation. It's clear that the top plate of the wall is original and spans the whole room, so I'm not sure what this wall looked like before the renovation.

https://ibb.co/irZTUp
This is the part at the front of the house at the floor. It's hard to tell, but the hardwood floor goes under the baseplate all the way to the dark wood stud. That 12 inch section has one original stud and an original baseplate that is sunken in the floor below the hardwood floor.

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This is the side away from the front of the house. There are 2 original wood studs.

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Here's the side away from the front of the house at the floor. This entire section has the hardwood floor cut out. Between these two is the furnace intake hole through the floor. My thought

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This is the picture I posted before of the attic before I put in some more reinforcements.

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This is showing my handiwork of putting in similar 2x12 joist reinforcements to mirror what was done on the other side of the house. My foot (OSHA approved footwear) is pointing along the wall we would like to take out. Thereís a 2x4 on its side that I believe is on top of the wall's top plate that sticks out below the ceiling. Next to it is some 3x3 looking beam, but not structural because it's split in the center and held together axially by nails or something (what?). Anyway, I'm hoping these 2 additional 2x12's I put in will prevent any sagging from taking out the wall.

I couldn't tell much about the basement since it's finished, but when I looked down the furnace intake hole, I can see that the floor joists run perpendicular to the wall and don't end at the wall. Two joists were used as the walls of the duct, with just a single metal sheet to close it off at the base of the joists. The basement wall is nearby and runs in the same direction of this wall, but does not match up underneath with this wall (about 16 inches away or so).

Another point is the ceiling is made of new drywall screwed to old weird dark fibrous "drywall" (probably asbestos), which is on top of wood planks (Iím guessing original ceiling was just the planks). This house was made in 1931.

If anyone has any insights they could share that would be very helpful. Some of my questions are: Does anyone think my house will collapse when I take this wall out? What did this wall look like before the renovation? Was it just a partial wall on both sides to separate the room, but open in the middle? If that's true, why does the wall's top plate, which is made of original wood, span the whole room?
Thanks so much!
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Old 09-08-2018, 02:43 PM   #17
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I don't see any load bearing, who ever worked on the wall before was not sure what to do and just put in lot's of lumber.
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Thanks for reading through my post and responding. That's what my thinking was as well. I actually just heard back from the previous owner that did the renovation in 2002 and he said that it used to be a full wall with no door, but there was a door on a different wall. They filled in the old door and put a double door in this wall so you didn't have to walk through another bedroom to get to this room. So even though it doesn't appear to be load bearing wall, the wall has probably assumed some load over time due to settling. do the two 2x12's I put in the attic seem reasonable to prevent any sagging of the ceiling when I take all the structure out?
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