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Old 11-23-2017, 12:16 PM   #1
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Vertical Hole Drilled Through a Horizontal Support Beam


We discovered a vertical hole drilled through a horizontal ceiling beam going across our 18 foot wide room. We live in a second floor condo with one condo above and below us. There are ceiling heater power cords running through the hole which have the control knob at the end. The control knob was embedded in a wall we removed.
We asked the condo manager to bring a structural engineer to examine it and she said we had to get our own and pay for it ourselves.
Is the vertical hole a possible structural problem?
Should we get a structural engineer to examine it?
The condo manager said she doesn’t have a blueprint for our condo, only an 8 1/2 x 11 inch drawing. Where can we get blueprints? The architect has passed away. The condo manager said we would also have to pay an architect to create blueprints for the existing space. She said she thought the structural engineer would want them.
Any thoughts and suggestions are welcome! Thanks!
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:21 PM   #2
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Re: Vertical Hole Drilled Through a Horizontal Support Beam


Step back a little and provide a picture of the joist with its related supporting members, such as posts, walls, etc. Is this a vertical hole or an angular hole?
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It was passed at time of construction, so as long as you are not drilling more holes it will be fine.
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[QUOTE=chandler48;4855842]Step back a little and provide a picture of the joist with its related supporting members, such as posts, walls, etc. Is this a vertical hole or an angular hole?

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Step back a little and provide a picture of the joist with its related supporting members, such as posts, walls, etc.
Keep stepping back. The new photos are just as up close as the original. Chandler is asking to see where the beam is supported.
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It's most likely been this way for a long time and there are no issues with the beam. It is fine and it is nothing to worry about and certainly doesn't warrant bringing out engineers unless you are in a big hurry to part with your money. The only thing that I can't understand from your pictures is how the drywall sat over the wires, must've been shimmed out I assume. It appears from the last pic that you have a vertical beam within about 16 inches of the hole, if this is the case that alone should give you peace of mind. As others have said, back up a little and get a picture with a better overall view.
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Don't just take the condo manager's word for it. Look at your actual condominium documents. Structural elements are often considered common elements and the responsibility of your Condo Association.
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What is up and what is down in the photos? If the hole was drilled in the dead-center of the beam it would be of no consequence being on the 'neutral axis'. Having the hole in the upper side is less of a problem than the lower side since the top side of a horizontal beam is in compression and the lower side in tension. Wood is much stronger in compression than tension.

Will the wires remain after the renovation?

Oops! I just realized you said it was a vertical hole. That changes my answer, but I still can't tell what is up and what is down in these photos.
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