Which Tile Shower Pan System To Use? - Remodeling - Page 2 - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum
Advertisement


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Remodeling

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Old 11-06-2015, 04:14 PM   #16
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SF Bay
Posts: 336
Rewards Points: 636
Default


someone recommended hot mop as well but I don't trust myself with the sloops.
dannieboiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-06-2015, 04:18 PM   #17
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 13,609
Rewards Points: 9,252
Blog Entries: 2
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by dannieboiz View Post
someone recommended hot mop as well but I don't trust myself with the sloops.
You don't do the initial slope.....the hot mop guy does.

The mortar bed on top is easy.....same step if hot mop or Kerdi
__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-06-2015, 04:28 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SF Bay
Posts: 336
Rewards Points: 636
Default


500 for someone to come in and do that hot mop and build it out and everything or did you do it? I'll totally pay someone that to come here and build the shower pan for me and I do the finish work.
dannieboiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-06-2015, 04:29 PM   #19
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


ddawg,

Yes, that's an option on the left coast. But I think you'd want a pro to do that. Plus I think you'd want a real mud-job to install the tiles.

Dannie,

I didn't see you mention anything about spreading thinset under the Wonderboard. No mention of special alkaline resistant tape on the seams. Did you forget or skip that? Or, were none of the sheets cut in the field?

You have to tape the joints no matter where it's installed. Wonderboard is backer board.

Floors do not require waterproofing since you really can't make the room waterproof unless you build it like a shower. Wouldn't hurt though. If that was your intent, I'd go with Ditra instead of backer board though.

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 04:39 PM   #20
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SF Bay
Posts: 336
Rewards Points: 636
Default


I did not know that about the seam tape everywhere. If it last me 4 or 5 year on the kitchen floor I'll be ok with it. I needed a reason to rip out the kitchen cabinets that the wife likes so much. LOL That's the only thing that doesn't match with the house but the cabinets were new when we moved in last year so wife didn't feel it was necessary. It's the only traditional style room in the house. Everywhere else we're updating room by one to have a more contemporary style. but that's another story we'll get to next time.

Doesn't ditra go directly on subfloor with thinset? what happens when u want to replace the tiles next time around?
dannieboiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 04:44 PM   #21
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 13,609
Rewards Points: 9,252
Blog Entries: 2
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by dannieboiz View Post
500 for someone to come in and do that hot mop and build it out and everything or did you do it? I'll totally pay someone that to come here and build the shower pan for me and I do the finish work.
About $250 per shower.

The mortar bed was kinda fun to do. Not at all hard. And for your shower should be easy.

__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 04:54 PM   #22
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SF Bay
Posts: 336
Rewards Points: 636
Default


seems not many guys do that here but I found a few. Just left them a message already.

So they build the slope, then hotmop it then we still have to build a mortar bed on top of the hot mop? So you don't tile directly to the hot mop?
dannieboiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 05:11 PM   #23
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 13,609
Rewards Points: 9,252
Blog Entries: 2
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by dannieboiz View Post
seems not many guys do that here but I found a few. Just left them a message already.

So they build the slope, then hotmop it then we still have to build a mortar bed on top of the hot mop? So you don't tile directly to the hot mop?
Nope. Neighbor next door had Kerdi done. The contractor was nice enough to walk me through the steps since I was close to doing my showers. He showed me the proper consistency of the mortar for the bed...and a couple of tricks on how to set the slope.

About the only advantage I see to Kerdi (and the main reason so many use it now) is you can basically do everything in one day. With hot mop....you get it all ready.....schedule the hot mop guy...he comes out, does his thing (maybe an hour or so)...then you schedule the inspector....once he buys it off (pan is full of water and not leaking), you can do your mortar bed.

Doing Kerdi knocks at least one day off the schedule.

Considering that hot mop has been working a lot longer than Kerdi has been used.....I've happy with hot mop.

But note, it is NOT a good choice if it will be exposed to freezing temps. This 'can' cause cracking.
__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 05:15 PM   #24
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


NO. You're not gonna get the pre-slope for $250 too. You gotta do that as Dawg said. Remember he said it was fun. Yes you then place the deck mud etc. Plus you should do a real mud job over otherwise you're gonna poke holes in the hot mop.

I think it's a ridiculous system, unless you like the smell of hot tar.

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 05:26 PM   #25
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SF Bay
Posts: 336
Rewards Points: 636
Default


Sounds like an excessive amount of work to to really not saving much. I think kerdi is a winner.
dannieboiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 05:57 PM   #26
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 13,609
Rewards Points: 9,252
Blog Entries: 2
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMan View Post
NO. You're not gonna get the pre-slope for $250 too. You gotta do that as Dawg said. Remember he said it was fun. Yes you then place the deck mud etc. Plus you should do a real mud job over otherwise you're gonna poke holes in the hot mop.

I think it's a ridiculous system, unless you like the smell of hot tar.

Jaz
Interesting read......along with some of your comments. Can't help but think you are 'somewhat' biased. Valid bias? I'll take the 5th on that one.

http://www.contractortalk.com/f73/ho...ystems-130141/
__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 10:26 PM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SF Bay
Posts: 336
Rewards Points: 636
Default


See how the curbs on this shower is very low profile. Can this be achieved with kerdi curbs? If not can I use 2x4 to make the curbs and put kerdi over in conjunction with the kerdi pans?



dannieboiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 11:01 PM   #28
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


You can use lumber or if it's over a slab you can use small blocks or bricks. You can not put Kerdi directly on sawn wood however, use a concrete backer then kerdi.

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2015, 02:09 AM   #29
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 207
Rewards Points: 388
Default


This is just me, but do your pan with whatever you find to be easiest/cost effective. When I do My master bath, I'll do the mud and pvc thing. The walls, however, i would suggest wedi board over Kerdi. Kerdi was very difficult for me and it was far from perfect. The wedi isn't that much more money and I found it to be exponentially easier to install than Kerdi.
1acre is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Crack in old shower tile Jeff DIY Flooring 21 01-15-2012 02:11 PM
Permit For Fire Sprinklers letnes Plumbing 18 10-14-2010 05:23 PM
water leak on tile shower floor redskins Plumbing 1 07-18-2009 05:58 AM
Honey, I'm going to re-caulk the shower... homebound Remodeling 1 02-10-2009 09:11 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts