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Old 06-15-2020, 07:28 AM   #46
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Add 2x6 blocks half up behind the drywall for backing.

I missed that earlier blocking should have been slipped u in the wall above the header.
Then just add the new floor joists screwed to the studs.
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I would remove 1 1/2" of drywall from the top of the lower walls and then just remove all those joist including the one at the wall and the header. and re install so you have one flush with the wall on both walls.
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@Nealtw <3 that was perfectly explained and drawn, my husband will love you lots because now he doesn't have to listen to me explain what to do (He says I get a bit impatient or "snippy" with him when he doesn't see whats in my mind :P)


The garage wall and the front door wall ("bottom" of the stairs) are both directly on the foundation - we've got a 6' crawlspace with at least 3' buried below the VB and dirt, could be as much as 6' more deep.

The garage wall in particular is so "solid" that it causes the rest of the house to flex around it - like that wall is the pivot point for all our seasonal shifting. We also happen to be moving my washer/dryer into the garage on the other side of that wall there and need to build a second wall to put our pipes & dryer vent in; so we could pull off the garage drywall and get access the [first floor] wall studs below it if that'd help any.

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I was thinking that since we're going to be fiddling around, I'd kinda like to secure the front door wall/bottom of the stairs wall a bit better - it's still mostly plumb, but it'd taken the full face of the quake (directional waves) and popped a bunch of it's drywall nails out. Also the front covered porch roof is sagging a bit and it irritates me.

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I know a lot of the roof sag and front porch deck problems are because they didn't put any kinda "foundation under" the outward support post (where I have my flag attached) - it's just sitting on a rather small cement pier even though its in a high frost heave location. Dumb. [We do plan to rip off all the deck boards and pour in a properly buried tube to put a new post on, re-level the roofline for new roofing, level the front decking, fix the porch stairs, redo the walkway, adjust the slope of the ground under the porch and put in some kind of water trench/drain/tube/etc. to keep water coming down the driveway from going under there, but all of that's going to have to wait until next summer thanks to covid.]

Anyway, so that wall there has the 6' wide front door opening and that big 8' wide window opening in it and I've always felt like it needs a bit more idk "structure." Is it worth pulling the drywall to put some more studs in at the bottom of the stairs and in the closet above or would that be kinda pointless?

I mean ultimately almost the entire front of the house gets pulled off for my addition, but that's quite a few years out - 5 or so at least as I want/need to rebuild the shop first (since it was damaged in the quake, and because I figure with the shop I'll be better able to build/help with the house addition.)
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@Nealtw <3 that was perfectly explained and drawn, my husband will love you lots because now he doesn't have to listen to me explain what to do (He says I get a bit impatient or "snippy" with him when he doesn't see whats in my mind :P)


The garage wall and the front door wall ("bottom" of the stairs) are both directly on the foundation - we've got a 6' crawlspace with at least 3' buried below the VB and dirt, could be as much as 6' more deep.

The garage wall in particular is so "solid" that it causes the rest of the house to flex around it - like that wall is the pivot point for all our seasonal shifting. We also happen to be moving my washer/dryer into the garage on the other side of that wall there and need to build a second wall to put our pipes & dryer vent in; so we could pull off the garage drywall and get access the [first floor] wall studs below it if that'd help any.

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I was thinking that since we're going to be fiddling around, I'd kinda like to secure the front door wall/bottom of the stairs wall a bit better - it's still mostly plumb, but it'd taken the full face of the quake (directional waves) and popped a bunch of it's drywall nails out. Also the front covered porch roof is sagging a bit and it irritates me.

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I know a lot of the roof sag and front porch deck problems are because they didn't put any kinda "foundation under" the outward support post (where I have my flag attached) - it's just sitting on a rather small cement pier even though its in a high frost heave location. Dumb. [We do plan to rip off all the deck boards and pour in a properly buried tube to put a new post on, re-level the roofline for new roofing, level the front decking, fix the porch stairs, redo the walkway, adjust the slope of the ground under the porch and put in some kind of water trench/drain/tube/etc. to keep water coming down the driveway from going under there, but all of that's going to have to wait until next summer thanks to covid.]

Anyway, so that wall there has the 6' wide front door opening and that big 8' wide window opening in it and I've always felt like it needs a bit more idk "structure." Is it worth pulling the drywall to put some more studs in at the bottom of the stairs and in the closet above or would that be kinda pointless?

I mean ultimately almost the entire front of the house gets pulled off for my addition, but that's quite a few years out - 5 or so at least as I want/need to rebuild the shop first (since it was damaged in the quake, and because I figure with the shop I'll be better able to build/help with the house addition.)
The sheeting on the wrap around roof is what is holding those walls stiff.
Makes that section act as one with little sway

The sag in the front porch roof looks like the corner of the deck is down, white behind the white bucket in the picture.



there will not be much to see from the garage side but it might give him more access for cutting in the new header.
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The sheeting on the wrap around roof is what is holding those walls stiff.
Makes that section act as one with little sway

The sag in the front porch roof looks like the corner of the deck is down, white behind the white bucket in the picture.



there will not be much to see from the garage side but it might give him more access for cutting in the new header.
Yeah the dumb post thing is behind the white bucket. I'm guessing it wasn't standard in the late 70s to put piers or foundation-esk cement under porches. The back deck is in even worse shape cause they just put those portable piers down on the ground. Like I don't think they even compacted the dirt under them or anything. Really poor support for a deck, much less that 12' - 15' of deck and roof in the front there.
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Yeah the dumb post thing is behind the white bucket. I'm guessing it wasn't standard in the late 70s to put piers or foundation-esk cement under porches. The back deck is in even worse shape cause they just put those portable piers down on the ground. Like I don't think they even compacted the dirt under them or anything. Really poor support for a deck, much less that 12' - 15' of deck and roof in the front there.
When you are doing other foundation work it would not be to tricky to hold that up and dig out for a proper pier.
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If I had to guess the partial wall is there to be able to take furniture, bedding, etc., up and down the stair easily.

Have you thought about installing a removable railing for that purpose.?
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Apologies for being away for a while there - had a grandbaby and everything got a bit wonky!

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Could be right about the open part at the bottom of the stairs, or it could just be to lessen the "tunnel" effect on the stairway and the "tunnel" effect of the downstairs hall into the kitchen. We removed the railing down there probably 12 or 13 years ago - along with the railing at the top of the stairs - and we've never regretted it yet (not at all code though hahaha)

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Back to the project at hand though.

We're at a bit of a pause as the husband and I have been revisiting a long ago idea of removing the upstairs closet entirely and putting a window in the stairway for light (believe I discussed on here as well.)

The gyst of it is that we've been hunting everywhere for a light fixture for the stairway and none of the ones we like are exactly great for lighting such a large and narrow area. There are no windows that hit the stairway at all so it's always been very dark and IDK "claustrophobic" I suppose.

Problem is that the peak of the roof over the adjacent garage goes all the way up to the 2nd floor ceiling at the top of the stairs, so we're going to be limited in window size. Husband and I were "arguing" about doing a hexagon on the front of the house for a week or so - I'm not budging on it; it's a non-gable important structural wall with a bunch of big doors and windows in it, plus it'd be a tiny 1 foot wide window, AND it'd throw off the symmetry of the front of the house (French Tudor with the dark board "timbers" over "stucco" look.)

So we're going to get out on the roof and see how big a triangle or long short rectangle we can fit between the attic "floor" and the "snow line" of the roof there - then we'll decide if we're gonna put in a window or keep the "shortened" closet. Husband's been super busy so I suspect this project is going to be a bit to get too - aka after the other projects were doing, but hopefully before winter
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