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Old 09-28-2019, 08:04 AM   #16
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Re: Remove kitchen walls below Fink truss attic, load bearing or not?


You will find this kind of stuff in most house but it is not right and the 2x4 on the left may have to be adjusted to get a more level ceiling or a ceiling that will look more level. Notice that the truss is not touching the wall. But it is nailed there.

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2 bearing trusses like yours should be allowed to move up and down seasonally as such should not be directly nailed to the wall .

But with out nailing them to the wall the walls will move, there is a clip for that.

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Perfect. Off to the drawing board I go!
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The clip in the green circle is the truss lift clip, and the clips in red are a newer improvement that allows the drywall people to hang the drywall to the side of the wall.
With those they could do away with the drywall backing.

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So yes you can remove all the walls you want to, and to get the ceiling to match on both sides of the missing walls you may have to adjust some crap that was nailed to the trusses for the ceiling when the house was built.
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Great!

Now as a followup about planning on what I can do with the island...

I am thinking of putting a range or built in cooktop/oven in the island. Most likely will be induction (electric), but there is a small possibility I might consider a gas setup.

Either way, I will need a vent fan. Would I be able to attach that to the ceiling? I assume for the induction route, a lighter fan would suffice, while a heavier one might be required for a gas cooktop. Is it feasible to support/mount the exhaust fan to the existing structure, or would I have to sister the truss chords, some other method, or is none of this an option?
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Great!

Now as a followup about planning on what I can do with the island...

I am thinking of putting a range or built in cooktop/oven in the island. Most likely will be induction (electric), but there is a small possibility I might consider a gas setup.

Either way, I will need a vent fan. Would I be able to attach that to the ceiling? I assume for the induction route, a lighter fan would suffice, while a heavier one might be required for a gas cooktop. Is it feasible to support/mount the exhaust fan to the existing structure, or would I have to sister the truss chords, some other method, or is none of this an option?
You can add a level 2x4 to the upright in the trusses across 4 or 6 trusses
Then add a plywood gusset to tie the top and bottom cord.

The plywood moves the load to the top cord and the 2x4s spread the load to the neighbours.
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Perfect. I have a fighting chance then. Seems a lot easier than sistering.
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Perfect. I have a fighting chance then. Seems a lot easier than sistering.
We did one house with a center of room gas insert with a big wood box on the roof with fake stone to look like a chimney and this what the engineer called for.
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Is notching permitted for trusses?
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Is notching permitted for trusses?
No, I did see that some one notched for the plywood. I am not sure how excited to get over those.
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I hope it is/was in 1980 when the house was built. There's tons of notches for wiring throughout the attic. At least they used nail plates... Unless the floor up there was added after initial construction. One more thing to add to the list of stuff I am not particularly fond of in this house.
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I hope it is/was in 1980 when the house was built. There's tons of notches for wiring throughout the attic. At least they used nail plates... Unless the floor up there was added after initial construction. One more thing to add to the list of stuff I am not particularly fond of in this house.
That was done after the fact, it would never have passed.
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Now as a followup about planning on what I can do with the island...
I am thinking of putting a range or built in cooktop/oven in the island.
Either way, I will need a vent fan.
I might think about not in the island, as that is the main circulation route across, is viewed from the living, exhaust will block view to the back windows, and you are trying to eliminate the dining room so you need island space for sitting?

Also, do you have any need to think about a doorway to a future deck for your raised ranch?
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Right now, I am thinking of a slightly smaller L-shape. View to the windows shouldn't be blocked too bad, especially compared to how the existing wall blocks the window. The stove top would have 18" on each side except the front.

Island would have similar dimensions as the wall removed, 72"x42".

I haven't committed to eliminating the dining area yet, but doing so would certainly warrant a larger island.

Here are some models of what I am thinking.

A door simply wont fit, unless I shrink a window, and I think a deck makes the back yard too busy and possibly be too high (~6-7ft off the ground). There is door in the walk out basement though.

My design constraints are loosely as follows:
1) Keep sink plumbing in same general location since it would require pretty intense redesign to move plumbing. Which might also affect how I am planning for future basement improvements.
2) Fridge no longer in the center (where wall was) seems OK between windows. I did consider that corner you stuck it in (bottom left) but doesn't leave much room for sink/DW.
3) Can't really imagine a stove near a window.

I think this layout is the winner for now, but changing one thing pretty much changes everything It also seems less radical/out there than my other ideas.
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