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Old 11-09-2014, 11:12 PM   #1
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Notch in joist


Plumber notched a joist between first and second floor. I want to get it fixed right but having read articles here about sistering in another full length joust, it doesn't seem possible. The notch is close to the outside wall. What type of repair would be structurally sound?
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:03 AM   #2
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Are you sure a plumber did that.?
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:16 AM   #3
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Notch in floor joist


Yes. I am a woman and know nothing about construction or should say knew very little. I know more now after this remodeling. This plumber is a big guy and when I tried to tactfully suggest that was a rather big hole in my joist, he literally puffed out his chest, stepped into me as if to back me down and said "lady I needed room to work." He acted like it was fine and I was out of line to ask. I moved away for a year and the project sat so recently I started up again and brought in a highly recommended plumber to look at the work. He told me you never notch the bottom of a joist. Sadly my contractor put decorative beams under as part of kitchen remodel so it will be hard to sister something in the new plumber pointed out that this same guy cut out my air vent, left the home in the roof and put in some temporary vent the stops at the bottom of the window. It is frustrating as I using one if the best contractors in my area, but I think the sad reality is that because it is a lower end project it doesn't get the attention a million dollar project does. However I work as hard for my
Money as any millionaire and want it done to code. I don't want to play the gender card, but I think this might not be happening if they had to face a man.
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Old 11-14-2014, 12:45 AM   #4
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That is a mess, I hope your new plumber can straighten it out.
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I started up again and brought in a highly recommended plumber to look at the work. He told me you never notch the bottom of a joist.
Your highly recommended plumber is incorrect. Joists can be notched but certain criteria must be met as applied to the actual dimensions of the lumber.
-Do not make notches in the middle third of the span
-The maximum notch depth is not to exceed 1/6 the depth of the joist
-The maximum notch length is not to exceed 1/3 the depth of the joist

So if your joists are 2x10's and are 12 foot long:
-No notches between 4 and 8 feet of the span
-Max notch depth can be 1-1/2 inches
-Max notch length can be 3-1/16 inches
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Thanks for the specs hammer. He clearly broke rules 2 and 3, but if that is a supporting wall we are looking at, its so close to the support, that a lot of people would not worry about it. (except of course your plumbing looks like it was done by anything but a plumber)
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Your highly recommended plumber is incorrect. Joists can be notched but certain criteria must be met as applied to the actual dimensions of the lumber.
-Do not make notches in the middle third of the span
-The maximum notch depth is not to exceed 1/6 the depth of the joist
-The maximum notch length is not to exceed 1/3 the depth of the joist

So if your joists are 2x10's and are 12 foot long:
-No notches between 4 and 8 feet of the span
-Max notch depth can be 1-1/2 inches
-Max notch length can be 3-1/16 inches
Hey! Actual, accurate code advise on a DYI forum! That's something you don't see every day!
I'm done with my plumbing an electrical subs hacking away at structure, and I don't allow it. If they break it they fix it or they don't get paid. Period.
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As far as structurally it would be fine cause there's enough stud left, I would be more worried about running a screw thru one of the pipes especially after its covered with drywall like when you Mount the cabinet and such. plus I would be worried about a leak, in the future if there isn't pride in the work that shows think about what you can't see
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As far as structurally it would be fine cause there's enough stud left,
There is different notching and boring criteria for studs. The poster is referring to a joist.
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There is different notching and boring criteria for studs. The poster is referring to a joist.
My bad, I thought it was a wall stud not a floor joist
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