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Old 01-14-2015, 03:37 PM   #16
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It all seems like a dumb-asss rookie mistake.

Could you run a router along the bottom edge of the counter top shaving off 3/16" or so? This would clear the drawers would it not?

I don't understand why the entire top can't be raised 1/4" or so.
This may be the only practical solution if I can't find custom fronts. The bottom edge of the bullnose would have to be shaved off only 1/8". I suppose it would have to be done to all other countertops as well to look the same.

My understanding is that once the top is glued down with liquid nails on the plywood that is screwed to the cabinets, those screws would have to be cut (option 4 in OP) before the plywood/quartz combo can be raised any. Not sure it will be clean or easy.
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FWIW, I was able to find a company that can provide custom made drawer and door fronts. Had a great experience speaking with a wonderful person at the other end who walked me through the web site and will be sending me info for a local business that has an account with them for ordering.
I thought I'd share it here for anyone who may have a similar need.
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as the customer..tell the two to get it right ..thats what your paying for..I would just let them fix it.. if you say you will hold final check i bet it will get done..
100% agree. You should be getting what you pay for
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100% agree. You should be getting what you pay for
Update: I was mistaken about the gluing medium. He had used silicone. I brought him back today and he gave me the impression that he's doing me a favor. He pushed a few screws from the bottom and the front of the countertop moved up 1.8". He exclaimed "I Fix[ed] it".
When I asked him to remove it all so the correct height underlayment can be installed, he started hemming and hawing. He said you're wanting me to demo it and then fabricate it again. It will cost you $800 more. I'm trying to convince him that it was his fault (or his and the contractor's) because his solution is not very satisfactory. It has pushed part of the quartz slab up, creating tension in the rest and sloped the whole think toward the window.
He has my materials for the rest of the kitchen and a full bathroom shower enclosure. I just have to work with him to have it fixed.
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If there are screws and silicone holding the top down, and he took the front ones loose, why don't you just take the back ones loose and level the top. If all he did was jack the front up making the top unlevel I would tell him the top has to be level.

If you don't want to level the top yourself, just let him finish everything else then hold his money until he levels the top. Make sure the drawers are installed when he levels so he can't just let the front back down. No way would I pay $800 for someone to loosen the top and silicone it back down.

I don't get why he says he has to demo the top just to raise it up?
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Jim and OP... My guess would be there is maybe a tile back-splash installed, so the entire counter is sloped backwards (toward the wall/window).

Sure sounds like a blatant hack fix.

OP... Did you actually mean the counter in the front is floating (on the screws) 1.8 inches....or 1/8 inch. Either way... it's still wrong.

Quartz I believe/think has better integrity than granitei in general... but if you read any manufacturer instructions, they are going to require at minimum, level (in plane) cabinate frames to support/place the quartz... which now clearly you do not have.

Flash those manufacturer instructions in front of hom... now that he has in effect acknowledged its his problem by trying to fix it, I think you have him with leverage.

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OP... Did you actually mean the counter in the front is floating (on the screws) 1.8 inches....or 1/8 inch. Either way... it's still wrong.

Good point - he possibly means 1/8". Not the end of the world to have a little slope to the back. If you spill a liquid on the counter, it does not run onto the floor.

I would want it well supported for sure.
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If you don't want to level the top yourself, just let him finish everything else then hold his money until he levels the top. Make sure the drawers are installed when he levels so he can't just let the front back down....
I don't get why he says he has to demo the top just to raise it up?
The drawer fronts are now installed.
He thinks if he tries to remove the whole countertop, it may break in the front/back of the sink opening and then he will have to fabricate from new materials.
I'm paying him for proper installation and am avoiding his transferring the responsibility to me for fixing his error.

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OP... Did you actually mean the counter in the front is floating (on the screws) 1.8 inches....or 1/8 inch. Either way... it's still wrong.

Quartz I believe/think has better integrity than granite in general... but if you read any manufacturer instructions, they are going to require at minimum, level (in plane) cabinet frames to support/place the quartz... which now clearly you do not have.

Flash those manufacturer instructions in front of him... now that he has in effect acknowledged its his problem by trying to fix it, I think you have him with leverage.

Good luck
This is a bay window installation with quartz backsplash on the sides. Spill on the sides may be stopped by backsplash but spill in the window area will go back to the window.
He jacked it up by 1/8" with 8 screws from the bottom. Parts of those screws are still protruding about 1/2"-3/4" below the plywood above the cabinets.
He cannot read English or for that matter much of Spanish. These folks don't read or seem to care for instructions.
He will be returning this Monday morning. Would having him support the raised and level position with more screws be an acceptable alternative to the risk of its breakage?
My only leverage with him is the remaining payment of $2K and his leverage is having my quartz slabs/materials for the kitchen and one bathroom.
I'm exhausted having to argue with these bozos. I suspect that may be part of their strategy to push the owner to accept sub-par work and get them outta here.
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I'm exhausted having to argue with these bozos. I suspect that may be part of their strategy to push the owner to accept sub-par work and get them outta here.
that is my experience. i have bought granite 3 times. 3 times there were problems. far as i am concerned these people are nothing more than used car salesman.
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that is my experience. i have bought granite 3 times. 3 times there were problems. far as i am concerned these people are nothing more than used car salesman.
I believe this is one of the driving factors in people choosing the DIY approach. There is a vibrant community for mutual support and knowledge sharing. It may take longer and cost about the same but you know you're doing it the way it is supposed to be done. On the other hand there are things that are beyond an individual's capacity to tackle alone and that is where honest and qualified professionals with good work ethic are needed. Those are hard to find. Our experience as subscribers to a well publicized list of service businesses indicated much angst in user comments/feedback.
Wonder why federal and state governments don't offer and promote extensive trades training (plumbing, electrical, masonry, carpentry, floor/tile installation and others). It could go a long way toward uplifting the economy.
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Wonder why federal and state governments don't offer and promote extensive trades training (plumbing, electrical, masonry, carpentry, floor/tile installation and others). It could go a long way toward uplifting the economy.
They do in Tennessee, we have a two year free trade collage, the feds are looking at it to see if they want to go that route all over the USA.
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The drawer fronts are now installed.
He thinks if he tries to remove the whole countertop, it may break in the front/back of the sink opening and then he will have to fabricate from new materials.
I'm paying him for proper installation and am avoiding his transferring the responsibility to me for fixing his error.



This is a bay window installation with quartz backsplash on the sides. Spill on the sides may be stopped by backsplash but spill in the window area will go back to the window.
He jacked it up by 1/8" with 8 screws from the bottom. Parts of those screws are still protruding about 1/2"-3/4" below the plywood above the cabinets.
He cannot read English or for that matter much of Spanish. These folks don't read or seem to care for instructions.
He will be returning this Monday morning. Would having him support the raised and level position with more screws be an acceptable alternative to the risk of its breakage?
My only leverage with him is the remaining payment of $2K and his leverage is having my quartz slabs/materials for the kitchen and one bathroom.
I'm exhausted having to argue with these bozos. I suspect that may be part of their strategy to push the owner to accept sub-par work and get them outta here.
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that is my experience. i have bought granite 3 times. 3 times there were problems. far as i am concerned these people are nothing more than used car salesman.
Guys... I empathize with your problem/quandry.... but do you not check out your suppliers.... or do you just take everyone at there word and the cheapest price?????
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Guys... I empasize with your problem/quandry.... but do you not check out your suppliers.... or do you just take everyone at there word and the cheapest price?????
all 3 times, i bought from granite fabricators. they had full showrooms and fab shops. the last one was HEARTLAND GRANITE in aurora il. this place is large enough to park a 747 inside, no kidding. saying this, how would i "check them out" ?

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Wonder why federal and state governments don't offer and promote extensive trades training (plumbing, electrical, masonry, carpentry, floor/tile installation and others). It could go a long way toward uplifting the economy.
RMK... Sorta agree with you... just not sure that the giovernment should be involved in what we call "free enterprize".

I'm afraid your idea of "promoting extensive trades training" would extrapolate to further regulation by beuracrats that don't know anything but "when break time is".

And I'm not sure that it is the governments responsibility (YOURS AND MY TAX DOLLARS) to provide trade education, or medical education, or legal education, or buss driving education.

This attitude of let the government solve it, is an individuals abdication of personal responsibility.

And without personal responsibility, you will never solve the problem.

Just an opinion

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all 3 times, i bought from granite fabricators. they had full showrooms and fab shops. the last one was HEARTLAND GRANITE in aurora il. this place is large enough to part a 747 inside, no kidding. saying this, how would i "check them out" ?
Well... The best way is to not pay them untill you have FULLY inspected the job... (hold retainage).

If they want full paynent in front, basically tell them to GFTselfs.

Do not be railroaded by the common tactic of a quick "sign off" sheet when they are ready to leave the job....common tactic of krap shops.

If you do not have credit standing... guess youy are up Sh__Creek.

I honestly do not mean to be an AH here, but we should know, and be responsible, for whom we hire, and for whom we advance payment.

(PS: We've all made mistakes...gosh I sure have... but just learn from them.)

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