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Old 11-25-2016, 12:50 PM   #16
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Studs are almost always installed plumb, hence the confusion about how you installed the screws, since the screws you put in do not line up vertically, so they are almost certainly not all on studs. As to finding studs, a high quality stud finder may be able to locate studs behind wood paneling and plaster. If you cannot find the studs, you can drill a large enough hole (say 1 inch diameter) so you can look and see where the studs are, or feel for the studs using a coat hanger. You are going to put up a cabinet so you can easily patch the hole when you are done and no one will see it. Studs are typically 16 inches on center, so once you find one, you can measure to the sides and likely find the next one.
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Old 11-25-2016, 02:09 PM   #17
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Studs are almost always installed plumb, hence the confusion about how you installed the screws, since the screws you put in do not line up vertically, so they are almost certainly not all on studs.
thanks - I just used the holes that were there from a previous install and never really looked at them.

can I just add more screws if I locate a "stud" or should I take the whole thing down and start all over again?
Does every screw need a stud? because if the spacing is 16 inches I don't think there will be more than one of two at the most

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To find the studs behind paneling, look for verticals rows of finish nails below your cabinet. And or confirm with a tiny drill bit drilling some test holes.
There is a doorway to the left of the cabinet if I can find out how far the studs are in this house - by going into the attic - could I use the doorway as a starting point?
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There is no guarantee the studs in the attic line up with the studs on the floor below, they certainly do not in my house. Once you find the studs, you typically install two screws minimum per stud through the cabinet.
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To find the studs behind paneling, look for verticals rows of finish nails below your cabinet. And or confirm with a tiny drill bit drilling some test holes.
It's a a plaster wall - how will I know I'm in a stud rather than just the lathe
where my screws are now they seemed to "bite" into something - with these walls if you don't hit wood it is obvious....the screw wobbles in a hole - but what kind of wood is the question - lathe vs stud

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Well I have it flush to the wall - that's something
but if I can't find a stud is there some other way to secure it?

I appreciate all the input - thanks
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There is a doorway to the left of the cabinet if I can find out how far the studs are in this house - by going into the attic - could I use the doorway as a starting point?

No, not the door, the corner maybe, but no guarantee.

Most people hang paneling with nails. All you need to do is look under your cabinet and find where the paneling was nailed.

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knock repeatedly on the wall from left to right with your knuckle and listen for the sound change. This will give you good idea where the studs are.

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go buy a stud finder,

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take the cabinet down and drill test holes in the area the cabinet will cover, about a inch apart until you hit the stud. From there measure over 16 as others have said.

Should try to get in 4 good screws. Two up top, two on the bottom and across two separate studs.
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Any electrical on the wall? If you have a switch or outlet there should be a stud usually just to the left of it that the box is attached to. Find that stud and you should be able to measure off that to find the rest of the studs in the wall.
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The only way to know for sure what is behind the wall is to tear it apart. I guess that is not an option lol. Remove the cabinet and look at the back of it. There is usually 3/4" material that provides strength and support at the top, and a thinner material that comprises the back of the cabinet. Usually it is a horizontal rail. You want to fasten something to the wall------a CLEAT----- that your cabinet can hang on underneath that rail. IKEA cabinets, I don't think they have a rail, but they have a bit of an overhang provided by the top. Ditch those phony hangers they provide. The cleat should run nearly the width of the cabinet, but you can leave yourself an inch or so of wiggle room. The cleat can be 3/4" stock or possibly 1/2", depending on the overhang in back. Attach the cleat to the wall.....toggles hold well, if there is a hollow spot in the wall. Some plaster walls are so thick the screws might seem like they are biting, but all you are screwing into is lathe and plaster, which will pull out in a big chunk if the cabinet is heavy. The best way to look for a stud is to just pound a 16d nail into the wall every inch or so until you are sure you have hit something. A stud in a plaster wall will already have begun to petrify, yeah extremely hard, so you will absolutely know if you hit a stud. (Heck, for all we know it is plaster over brick.) Try running a drill bit in once you have hit something solid. The dust that comes out will tell you what is in there. Brick dust or sawdust? On walls that old, it seems 16"oc was not mandatory. You did not say if it was an interior or an exterior wall. Anyway, if all you hit is a void use toggle bolts and construction adhesive to get the cleat up there so it it stay. Doesn't have to be pretty, just LEVEL. Hang the cabinet and screw the back of the cabinet into the cleat with some drywall or deck screws. You might want to add a little adhesive to the bottom of the cabinet and just tack it in to eliminate the possibility of any wobble. Should work fine. BTW that is not an IKEA cabinet in the photo. If there is no overhang in the back of the cabinet try a piece of oak at the bottom (it will be exposed) that will support the weight, and another piece up top to keep it from pulling away. Be sure to screw the cabinet into those exposed rails if =you have to go that route.

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No, not the door, the corner maybe, but no guarantee.

Most people hang paneling with nails. All you need to do is look under your cabinet and find where the paneling was nailed.

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knock repeatedly on the wall from left to right with your knuckle and listen for the sound change. This will give you good idea where the studs are.

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go buy a stud finder,

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take the cabinet down and drill test holes in the area the cabinet will cover, about a inch apart until you hit the stud. From there measure over 16 as others have said.

Should try to get in 4 good screws. Two up top, two on the bottom and across two separate studs.
Tried finding by knocking and with a magnet - neither worked - the plaster is pretty thick here

I've drilled a bunch of holes - sometimes I hit wood but can't figure out if it is lathe or a stud.

Found only found 1 finish nail in the small section of panel - so will be trying to figure out if that is in a stud or simply in lathe

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Any electrical on the wall? If you have a switch or outlet there should be a stud usually just to the left of it that the box is attached to. Find that stud and you should be able to measure off that to find the rest of the studs in the wall.
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If there is no overhang in the back of the cabinet try a piece of oak at the bottom (it will be exposed) that will support the weight, and another piece up top to keep it from pulling away. Be sure to screw the cabinet into those exposed rails if =you have to go that route.
You are right it is not Ikea just some low end pressed wood
and there is overhang in back so I guess the french cleat wont work...

If I attach oak "rails" to the wall how thick should they be?
I assume the oak rails would be attached to the wall with toggles - right?
what kind of toggles would be best?

Is there a reason I couldn't use toggles to attach the cabinet directly?

I also thought - what if I simply set up a shelf or just brackets beneath it - would that take pressure off the screws holding up the cabinet?

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Nope
Forget the stud finder it would be worthless through lath, plaster and paneling (at least anyone I've tried using).

As mentioned earlier drill a 1" (+/-) hole behind the cabinet and poke around with a stiff wire like a coat hanger. You'll find the studs.
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