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Old 11-23-2016, 12:57 PM   #1
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Hanging Upper wall Cabinet wall gap


I thought this would be pretty simple - I am only hanging one of those cheap IKEA like wall cabinets on a Kitchen wall. As far as I know it is 1/2 inch wood panel (some kind of composite) on original plaster walls (old house)

I got the cabinet up fine the screws seemed to bite and sink well - feels secure but when I came around the side I saw surprisingly a gap that varies but is about 3/4 inch wide - you can see screws through the gap and none are flush with the wall.
I tried shorter screws, longer screws it seems impossible to get it flush and I can't figure out why - is it warped? is the wall warped? I have no idea.

- my concern is will this fall off the wall if not flush?
- would putting brackets beneath it be a fix?

any help appreciated
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Old 11-23-2016, 01:17 PM   #2
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Probably need to see a picture or two to help on this.
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Probably need to see a picture or two to help on this.
Error in original post gap is about 1/4 inch
I've attached some pics that show the gap and the cabinet....
If more info needed happy to provide
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What's the curled up thing behind the cabinet?

Is the cabinet flush with the wall before you try to screw it in? If the wall had a big hump in it that should be easy feel when u try to hold the cabinet up to the wall.. can it rock back and forward? Put a 3 or 4 foot level up on the wall and see if you find any humps.

Are the screws going in smoothly or are you unable to get them tight because u start stripping the heads?

Is the cabinet flush then pulls away from the wall after you install it?

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Old 11-23-2016, 05:23 PM   #5
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What's the curled up thing behind the cabinet?
that's just a white tissue so the space could show up

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Is the cabinet flush with the wall before you try to screw it in?
I thought it was because it "felt" flush, but I was putting it up myself so I really can't be sure now - maybe that is the problem.
Does it look like I'll have to take it down and reinstall?

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Are the screws going in smoothly or are you unable to get them tight because u start stripping the heads?
The screws seemed to go in pretty smoothy - the heads did not strip

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Is the cabinet flush then pulls away from the wall after you install it?
It felt "flush" at the start and it didn't seem to pull up as I screwed in the screws - but there is that gap so something went wrong.

Is there any proper sequence to put in the screws - I did the top center and then the bottom center hoping to get it stable - could that have screwed up the alignment with the wall?
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Old 11-23-2016, 05:42 PM   #6
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Assuming the wall is flat with nothing behind the cabinet, it probably pushed out when you put in the first screws. Back off all your screws on the bottom, push the cabinet back to the wall and re-screw. Repeat on the top.
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There is a slight trick to getting screws to pull the cabinet in tight to the wall. You need to drill a hole through the cabinet that is slightly larger than the screw thread diameter. You do not want the screw to grab on the cabinet, just on the wall. The pilot hole in the wall needs to be equal to the screw shank diameter, which is generally about 1/8 inch or so smaller than the thread diameter. When you tighten the screw, the head will pull the cabinet into the wall. This works fine as long as the wall is pretty flat. By the way, you want to drill into studs, plaster will not hold adequately.
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Did you find the studs? Plaster alone can feel like the screws bit. The lathe behind can hold some weight but I wouldn't hang cabinets on it. Verify the studs. Also wonder if the screws stopped at certain point because they are hitting a masonary?
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Did you find the studs?
Looking at the screw pattern inside of the cabinet it doesn't look like it.
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+1.. it doesn't looked like the screws are all in studs.. they aren't aligned at all..

Is that wood paneling I see around and behind the cabinet?
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+1.. it doesn't looked like the screws are all in studs.. they aren't aligned at all..

Is that wood paneling I see around and behind the cabinet?
Yes that is the wood paneling behind the cabinet - it is a 1/2 inch thick - someone told me it would act like a French Cleat - not sure if that is accurate...

How do you know I am not in "studs"? I'm not certain what you mean by "not aligned" - there are three in the top rail and three in the bottom - the two in-between I just put there because my dad had this up somewhere B4 and he put those two screws into the backing - which is just thin cardboard - so the screws are there mostly to cover the holes

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Did you find the studs? Plaster alone can feel like the screws bit. The lathe behind can hold some weight but I wouldn't hang cabinets on it. Verify the studs. Also wonder if the screws stopped at certain point because they are hitting a masonary?
That is a good point and I thought they might be "hitting" something - but even shorter screws ended up being stopped...so I don't think it is that...

How would I know for sure I am in a "stud" - stud finders have flopped I'm guessing because of the plaster wall which is pretty thick...
I was told the wood paneling wood act as a french cleat - maybe that is inaccurate....

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Look up a French cleat.. the wood paneling ain't it..

But it might be an option for you if you are having a hard time with the traditional install..
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Look up a French cleat.. the wood paneling ain't it..

But it might be an option for you if you are having a hard time with the traditional install..
I am just completely confused now - I guess I thought with the wood paneling it wood provide enuf support so that the screws wouldn't pull put of the plaster...but I really know nothing ( which is clearly evident I am sure)

How would I go about finding the studs with the wood over the plaster walls?
any tricks?

Or could I keep it where it is and use mollies?
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To find the studs behind paneling, look for verticals rows of finish nails below your cabinet. And or confirm with a tiny drill bit drilling some test holes.
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