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Old 03-08-2018, 07:16 PM   #1
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Framing help?!?!


Any ideas on how to frame around this electrical box securely?? I can't get to the floor joist because of piping in the way.. help please.
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Old 03-08-2018, 07:29 PM   #2
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You really can't go to plan B unless you actually had a plan.

You really need to ask question in plumbing and electrical on what needs to be done so you can frame a wall.
As well as your framing so far there is nothing right here. Sorry.
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Old 03-08-2018, 07:31 PM   #3
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Why is there nothing right? Please explain
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I have invited the experts to have a look.
http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/exper...1/#post5256673
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First step in basement framing is fire stopping the wall so a fire in the wall will have a 30 minute burn thru. Some exceptions for plumbing and wiring
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Just to name a few issue (and there's many going on there!)
There's no top plate to attach the sheetrock to.
Wall studs never should have just been nailed to the side of the joist!
Wiring ran on the wrong side of what looks like a drain pipe.
I'm seeing what looks like an old gate valve, galv. pipe both will be issues at some point.
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Probably should start with the plumbing violation above the panel.
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I am planning on putting in cross members when I ran the studs to the joist. The plumbing is going to be taken care of that was all there from previous owner as well as the terrible wiring.
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So you can see the electrical and plumbing are in the way and need to be fixed and stopping you from building proper walls. So you build walls anyway with the expectation that it can be fixed later.
The wall should be back in line with the box with a stud on each side of it.
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You're right sorry for asking

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You're right sorry for asking

RGbaseball......

Honestly, don't be sorry for asking.... NO ONE here was born knowing how to build.

Asking is a good thing.... preferably before any work is done, but you are not too late to undo anything.

Think of it as a good thing... that you caught it early.

Good luck
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That does not mean I would not be more than happy to help you frame the basement. The white pipe can be dealt with a build around of sorts depending on where it is from the wall.
The electrical may be fixed up with minimal work but the plumbing with joints and valves right above the electrical??

If I came to your house to frame the basement. I would likely decide what and where I want to build and make suggestions on where I want things moved. But I would not start the job ad put my stuff in the way in case a plumber has to move something.

While you think about that, your rim joist needs to be insulated.
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You're right sorry for asking
Don't take the replies too personal RG, they are just trying to help you even if it hurts. Two of the largest issues with DIY'ers posting on forums with their questions is:

The experienced and even pros replying, do not know the person posting for help their skill levels or budgets. So the replies can get harsh, when the OP reads them.

Sure, we all want our projects code worthy, but sometimes due to our homes being worked on by less than stellar people, will take a lot of labor and money to get our projects up to code.

So if you do not have the funds, skill or will to fix the issues mentioned, you may want to just remove what work you have done and let it be. It is when we update our homes around known code violations, is when we get in to trouble.

IE: A older home catches on fire. The Fire Marshall blames the old wiring. Yet sees a new breaker box and new stud walls built. His call downtown to the Building Code office shows no electrical permit drawn on the house for the new electrical breaker box. A situation has just occurred, that allows the insurance provider an out, to not pay the claim for losses.

Good Luck and All JMO
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I understand and am very appreciative of all that you have told me. I agree I got a little far in that corner before I was ready but with the progress going the way it was I just kept rolling with it then came to a halt.. I will correct as many issues as I can before I go any farther..
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I understand and am very appreciative of all that you have told me. I agree I got a little far in that corner before I was ready but with the progress going the way it was I just kept rolling with it then came to a halt.. I will correct as many issues as I can before I go any farther..
Let's start over. I am sure it is ok for permanent plumbing to be above the box. If a valve leaks and shorts out things in that box, who gets to turn things off.

Have you a plan for an access panel for those water valves. Can they be moved around so they both or all could be accessed from the same panel away from the panel.
You have a connection between a black hose and the white pipe. could that just be reconfigured to somewhere else.
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