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Old 12-20-2018, 01:50 PM   #1
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Framing basement - is my small powder room TOO small?


Hi all. I'm so happy to say that I'm finally at a stage where, with the help of a competent friend, I am framing out the basement of my 100 year-old Philadelphia row home.

We are putting in a much-needed second bathroom in the area of the basement we are finishing. However, that overall area is not very large, and we'd like to leave as much of the room open to use as a guest/play/flex room. So, the idea was to keep the powder room footprint as small as possible. Now that we have things framed out, I'm concerned that we made the powder room a bit too small to be practical.

I love the corner concept, which does a lot to help the rest of the space still feel very open, but I obviously want a usable powder room.

Below are images for reference. The first is a diagram showing the walls in their current configuration. The placement of the sink and toilet are based on where the actual rough-ins are. This is to scale.

The second shows what I see as the best possible alternative if it turns out that the current configuration is too small. This is to scale.

The third is a not-to-scale diagram showing the measurements of the framed walls, which do not yet have drywall on them.

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So here are my questions. Is this powder room too small, keeping in mind that I still have to add drywall? Will I be able to fit a small sink and compact toilet in the current configuration and have the powder room still be usable? Or, does it make sense to do something like the alternative option I've proposed. And shoot, if you have any altogether different design ideas, let me know (keeping in mind that the rough-ins are where they are and that there isn't much to be done about that).

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Here are some photos of the actual space.


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Can you find, or build, a corner sink tucked back in that corner and not encroaching on the toilet..... I doubt you have your 15" code clearance around the WC.

Disregarding code, I would defer to the smaller powder room and maintaining as open/large living area as possible..... but that is a personal consideration.
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The entry door is funky...

How about this? More usable space by eliminating the "pointy corners" and the pocket door eliminates wasted space for the swinging door.

Make a custom cabinet for the sink.
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Corners are a waist of space like that. The smallest powder room I have seen and built is 3 feet by five feet with the toiler and sink at opposite ends with the door in the middle between them.
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The entry door is funky...

How about this? More usable space by eliminating the "pointy corners" and the pocket door eliminates wasted space for the swinging door.

Make a custom cabinet for the sink.
The pocket door idea is one we considered (and one I'm glad we didn't follow through on since now we might be re-doing that wall!) - the guy helping me out had never built one. Maybe we can study up and see how feasible it is for us to do. It would certainly be ideal given the space constraints.

The custom sink is also an interesting idea and was just brought up by my friend who is helping out. In the current configuration, that's almost the only practical option given how far into the corner the sink drainpipe is.
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I added a 3' x 6' straight rectangular powder room with a 2-0 pocket door and it's fine - don't forget the fart fan please
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Suburbanbeat,

Have you noticed the actual framing photo shows that the framing does not match your sketch?

See below.

The entry doorway wall length in your sketch is much longer than in reality.

Measure twice, build once.
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Suburbanbeat,

Have you noticed the actual framing photo shows that the framing does not match your sketch?

See below.

The entry doorway wall length in your sketch is much longer than in reality.

Measure twice, build once.
Crap - you're absolutely right! This screen grab was from an old floor plan that I drew up. Attached HERE is the new one that accurately reflects the size of the powder room in its current configuration. I swear we're taking our time with this, but I rushed in posting my original post!



And really, on paper, it doesn't look so bad. Getting to the sink would mean squeezing by the toilet a bit, but not su much that it would be unusable? However, the sink's placement would put the center of the sink a few inches away from where the drain pipe is located.

I think I'm going to pick up a compact toilet and basin just to see what they look like and let that inform my decision. I'll share photos of those in place here as well.

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Inside corners like that are hard to finish close the corner beside the sink
And put a straight wall on the other side of the door.
And give them something to talk about.
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The entry door is funky...

How about this? More usable space by eliminating the "pointy corners" and the pocket door eliminates wasted space for the swinging door.

Make a custom cabinet for the sink.
I think the squared off wall looks much better. more room in the big room and cleaner look in the powder room.
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Here's another sketch for you to consider. For me it's about making the most of the usable space, and not having "funky" unusable corners.
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Here's another sketch for you to consider. For me it's about making the most of the usable space, and not having "funky" unusable corners.
Now you have it. That looks better
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