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Old 11-21-2017, 03:47 PM   #31
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Thanks, yea that is what I was trying to say is hard to see from my picture with angles showing up in the view but my rafter ends are not vertical, they are perpendicular to the plywood that goes on top of it. I believe my gutter system was probably the same as the green house until the patio overhang was put in.

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In that picture we can see a 2x6 running across above the garage door. Can you tell if that is supporting something or is it just there to cover a hole.
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There you go I have learned a new trick today.
In that picture we can see a 2x6 running across above the garage door. Can you tell if that is supporting something or is it just there to cover a hole.
I think it's there to support part of that overhang the previous owner had added. I don't remember it covering a hole when I had looked from inside the garage.
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I think it's there to support part of that overhang the previous owner had added. I don't remember it covering a hole when I had looked from inside the garage.
Not from the garage, it looks to be covering the ends of the cut rafters and would be open to the attic

But you could still put a 2x4 under each of those rafters and remove it. It looks to me as you could install the new tails before touching the upper stuff that has to come down.
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Thanks, yea that is what I was trying to say is hard to see from my picture with angles showing up in the view but my rafter ends are not vertical, they are perpendicular to the plywood that goes on top of it. I believe my gutter system was probably the same as the green house until the patio overhang was put in.

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Thanks, well the garage has no ceilings at all so from in there I could look and I didn't see any of that wood covering any holes and that wood goes over the garage door as well. I think they put it on there to make it look better because they probably left the original wall and just cut the rafters flush with the wall and then installed that 2 x 6 over the flush rafters/wall and then stucco'd right up to it.
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Thanks, well the garage has no ceilings at all so from in there I could look and I didn't see any of that wood covering any holes and that wood goes over the garage door as well. I think they put it on there to make it look better because they probably left the original wall and just cut the rafters flush with the wall and then installed that 2 x 6 over the flush rafters/wall and then stucco'd right up to it.
Yes there will be stucco and wood there like between the rafters at the other end of the garage. Like you said they just cut the rafters and added the 2x6 to hide the rafters.
From inside the garage can you see how they attached the new rafters, Are the just nailed to the side of the old or sitting on blocks at the wall. If you can't see anything, they may have just cut them to fit on op of the sheeting which will make the whole thing easier.
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Side question, is the attic of the garage open to the attic of the house even a little bit.
It should be separated by a 5/8 drywall ceiling or a drywalled wall between the two.
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Yes there will be stucco and wood there like between the rafters at the other end of the garage. Like you said they just cut the rafters and added the 2x6 to hide the rafters.
From inside the garage can you see how they attached the new rafters, Are the just nailed to the side of the old or sitting on blocks at the wall. If you can't see anything, they may have just cut them to fit on op of the sheeting which will make the whole thing easier.
Thanks, what a shame they couldn't just work with the existing rafters when making the patio overhang but maybe it would take the person doing it less time to just cut them flush and cover them with a board.

I didn't see any evidence of those patio overhang pieces coming inside the garage and some of that 2 x6 goes over the garage door. It seems they fastened those blocks to the wall and maybe some of the structure rests on top of it? They probably used the same technique as they did for the rest of the patio overhang. Over the windows of the living room they must have cut out some stucco and bolted to the studs and covered with boards in between.

Here's a photo that may give some clues.

Wouldn't the job be easier if they actually attached the patio overhang rafters to the old rafters because I could pull those off and put the new ones or even cut those ones? It seems worse that they cut the rafters flush because now I would need to cut holes in the stucco/wall next to each rafter in order to tie in the new ones?
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Side question, is the attic of the garage open to the attic of the house even a little bit.
It should be separated by a 5/8 drywall ceiling or a drywalled wall between the two.
It is separated by a drywall. The garage has no ceiling. However I was crawling over the attic a few weeks ago to just look around up there for the first time and I crawled all the way to the wall where the vent is just above the living room window and I looked to my left and could see all the way to what seemed like that drywall separating the space above the kitchen and the garage.

If I needed to pull off some of that to get better access I could. In fact there is a really big hole up there that I taped up for now so it wouldn't be the end of the world to pull that off for access but as I mentioned before I can crawl all the way to that wall over the kitchen from the other side of the attic.

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Yes over the kitchen to save height they cut rafters and just nailed to the rafters, the blocks between the rafters are called pressure blocks. That was what we did before we had hangers. Because the garage comes even lower as it comes out they could not use the same procedure. So they just the new rafters on a long taper and just nailed them on top of the roof so that lower 2x6 is just there to hide the ends of the cut rafters. So that part can be fixed before you demo anything.

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Yes there will be stucco and wood there like between the rafters at the other end of the garage. Like you said they just cut the rafters and added the 2x6 to hide the rafters.
From inside the garage can you see how they attached the new rafters, Are the just nailed to the side of the old or sitting on blocks at the wall. If you can't see anything, they may have just cut them to fit on op of the sheeting which will make the whole thing easier.
Here's a photo I took before anyone took the overhang off. I was up on the roof and it almost looks like it goes over the area where sheeting originally was. At the very least if the remaning stuff comes out it looks like it may expose the sections where the rafters are making it possible to work from the top instead of going in the attic?

The reason they didn't take the remaining part off is I told them not to leave any roof exposed. We didn't know what would happen if they took off everything and I suspected it would leave the roof exposed where the patio overhang meets up to the regular house shingles. This might make the access easy but would require knocking out some stucco or creating a notch next to each rafter to run the tail rafters through right?
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It is separated by a drywall. The garage has no ceiling. However I was crawling over the attic a few weeks ago to just look around up there for the first time and I crawled all the way to the wall where the vent is just above the living room window and I looked to my left and could see all the way to what seemed like that drywall separating the space above the kitchen and the garage.

If I needed to pull off some of that to get better access I could. In fact there is a really big hole up there that I taped up for now so it wouldn't be the end of the world to pull that off for access but as I mentioned before I can crawl all the way to that wall over the kitchen from the other side of the attic.
I would cut that hole for this work as it will help with cooling while you are up there.
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Here's a photo I took before anyone took the overhang off. I was up on the roof and it almost looks like it goes over the area where sheeting originally was. At the very least if the remaning stuff comes out it looks like it may expose the sections where the rafters are making it possible to work from the top instead of going in the attic?

The reason they didn't take the remaining part off is I told them not to leave any roof exposed. We didn't know what would happen if they took off everything and I suspected it would leave the roof exposed where the patio overhang meets up to the regular house shingles. This might make the access easy but would require knocking out some stucco or creating a notch next to each rafter to run the tail rafters through right?
I suspect the old sheeting is still there. the garage unfinished ceiling would not need venting but the rest of the house maybe. You want to check the rest of the soffets around the house there should be venting into the attic.

If you end up making a mess out of stucco between rafters you can always hide that with wood.
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I suspect the old sheeting is still there. the garage unfinished ceiling would not need venting but the rest of the house maybe. You want to check the rest of the soffets around the house there should be venting into the attic.

If you end up making a mess out of stucco between rafters you can always hide that with wood.
I think the original sheeting is still there because when I looked at the roof from inside the garage it all looks the same. I don't know if they kept the sheeting as well over the kitchen area except maybe they just removed some sheeting where it would be lower in height than the patio overhang. I could look inside the attic and see how they tied in and if they took some sheeting out in that area above the attic itself.

The garage has two vents on the side wall. The attic has two vents, one on the forward part of the house and one on the rear above the living room window and above that stucco gap after the overhang came off.

I suppose if I am careful in knocking out some notches for the tail rafters to slide in, the stucco can be repaired when the other stucco patch is fixed by a professional stucco guy.
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I think cutting would not be hard to get good enough to fix with caulking after except for the old cut rafters,
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I think cutting would not be hard to get good enough to fix with caulking after except for the old cut rafters,
for the stucco
http://multitoolblades.ca/fein-multi...ent-blade.html


Hmmm, well I can tell that they must have remodeled the house and done so many things at one time. The patio overhang was added before the last stucco/paint job to the house. So either way there will be stucco work in the areas above the garage door and kitchen door. I think it won't hurt for me to carefully cut out some holes to slide 2x4s in. My bigger concern with working from the attic (if a lot of the original sheeting is still on) is how to put the tail rafters in and get them flush if there are a bunch of roofing nails coming in. Will I probably need to get a dremel tool and cut roofing nails flush while up there if I want to avoid taking sheeting off (my gut feeling says to leave as much sheeting and shingles alone)? I can see why it would be expensive for someone else to do, but if I can save a ton of money, I would take my sweet time and work from in there little by little, especially if I can leave most of the current stuff up so I have minimal down time when I need to take the remaining patio overhang off, install sheeting, and have someone install shingles so everything is watertight.

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