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Old 08-29-2018, 04:17 PM   #16
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Sugabit, my opinion is: If you want to live there, rebuild. If you want to sell it, let it go as is.
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You have to look back in history and see the results of what happened to homes & land. I was born & raised in a county out side of Washington, DC.

The home was a very small 900 Sq / Ft total family members was 8.
The house as of this date still remains and is worth 26 times what was paid for it in 1938. The county has informed us that the value with the house removed is worth more than with the house on the site , keep in mine that the other property around it are taxed on current value of the existing structure. Yes it is up dated and the rent pays all expenses. I have also worked on homes that were purchased for $150,000.00 refurbished and brought up to date for another $200,000.00 and resold for $ 600,000.00.

Check the history on the existing property and record all the info and include it in the resale cost. I can state that I am aware of property that was sold for
$ 1,000,000.00 and later sold for $ 13,000,000.00
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It doesn't look like a huge house and looks fairly straight, foundation-wise.
Nick, as I mentioned before, it doesn't appear to HAVE a foundation. Look at the next to last picture in that link and you can see a post and daylight under the back left corner.

Adding even a crawlspace would be back breaking and require some dollars.
Then full electrical (assuming they can DIY it), plus full plumbing, kitchen, bathroom, septic, well, driveway and landscaping, new roof, doors and windows, drywall trim, and rehabbing the framing will add up to big bucks.

Since no bank will touch them until it is 90% a house they will need cash in hand (or relatives pockets) to the tune of $50,000 and I bet more. Then all of this work will take new DIYers a couple of years.

As mentioned, a tough way to get started for a new couple.

The only approach I see that might come to a happy ending would be a large family pulling manpower and resources together and blowing this out in a couple of months. Good friends and good neighbors could add up to a lifetime home.

I see Sugabit was here again still no comment. Speak to us!

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Adding even a crawlspace would be back breaking and require some dollars.
Not to mention insane.
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Cost wise it would depend if you want to restore it to the era it was originally built. This would cost some serious dollars. If you are wanting to just remodel to modern times it would cost much less than a historic restore. No mater what the foundation is, if it is the orignal foundation it has stood for a very long time. But if what foundation is there now has been modified then if it is poles that is another thing.

If it is in a historic district, you may not have a choice of how you want to restore it. Historic districts can be a real pain.

As far as restoring goes, the pictures below are of a home built in 1844. We literally had to jack the entire house up and replace all of the lower plates, foundation, framing and all. The house was in a historic district and it had to be brought back to historic specs. The owner had deep pockets.

From what I am seeing the materials in your house look to be in really good shape.
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From what I am seeing the materials in your house look to be in really good shape.
I agree if it is in a historic district then very expensive, but without more info from the op I would guess not, those areas usually pressure owners to maintain what is there.

As for the materials looking really good, I don't see it. The floor is the only thing that looks nice but I suspect there is no subfloor under it. Framing is terrible. Siding is toast. Rood needs to be replaced. and on and on. By the time that house is gutted you would have less in value standing than the cost to correct just the framing. From there on it is still a money pit that a young couple shouldn't tackle.

IMO, if there are adjacent property owners that would want the land, sell it and move on.

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I agree if it is in a historic district then very expensive, but without more info from the op I would guess not, those areas usually pressure owners to maintain what is there.

As for the materials looking really good, I don't see it. The floor is the only thing that looks nice but I suspect there is no subfloor under it. Framing is terrible. Siding is toast. Rood needs to be replaced. and on and on. By the time that house is gutted you would have less in value standing than the cost to correct just the framing. From there on it is still a money pit that a young couple shouldn't tackle.

IMO, if there are adjacent property owners that would want the land, sell it and move on.

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I do agree the house would maybe have to be gutted except for maybe the roof framing, floors and maybe the ceilings, but I still see good materials there. Maybe I am not seeing right, but I don't see any rot anywhere.
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Yes, I read the answers, but I've been working & haven't had time to get on here to answer anyone. I wasn't ignoring anything. I appreciate everyone's help & advice. They would like to make the house look more modern, they aren't trying to restore it to its original state. They want to of course add a new roof, new plumbing, new electric, ect. No there is no subfloor, didn't have that back then I don't think. I did talk to one contractor that lives near by me & he said that it would cost about $30,000 to fix the house up, materials. Also her fiancÚ's father does plumbing & electric & carpentry & would help with some of it at no charge. Everyone I talked to said the wood in the house is in great shape, that some of it looked like "lollipop/loblolly pine" (if they were nameing it right). Also the house is in the country & the land in our area has sky rocketed due to everyone wanting to move to this area for great schools.
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Having experienced help is a major benefit, especially if some of that help has deep pockets.

I've been involved in a few projects involving a gut job and rebuild and they all said at the end "never again". We have a thread here involving a significant rebuild, not as old but may give some insight.

Sounds like a good neighborhood and I'll note, the current shape is poor but shows no sign of (knock on wood) vandalism.

Can you confirm that there is no foundation?

I know I'm a long ways away, but I have done some building and renovating and see $30,000 as being optimistic even if just for materials. Very easy with this much exposed to do a good list of what is needed to make sure they aren't getting in too deep. Of course the $30K in materials would be more than double that if labor were hired.

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30K? If you could identify those details of this house that are truely historical and repro them with present day materials, labor, and building codes I'd bet 130K is closer to accurate.

Somethings just aren't everyday practical to do,
take me for example - wifie maintains me for sentimental value, not 'cause she's thinking it's possible to turn me into a young stud.
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It doesn't sound like a lot of people here started with nothing, found a shack and fixed it up using products that were out of style a few years back and used cupboards.
I have fixed and sold a few houses and none of them had the potential of this one.
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loblolly pine is a yellow pine, one of the strongest natural framing materials used today. If it is that old, it will be very hard. Back in those days they built with what ever trees were handy. One home I restored, built back in 1840, had the roof decked in black walnut, some boards were 30 inches wide, about a 5000 sq/ft house.

I would bet if you refinished those floors they would look sharp. From what I see, that house has had work done on it in modern times. If the boards on the ceilings are in good shape, I would also refinish them and reuse them.

One thing that I see that is glaringly wrong is the plumbing pipes, they really need to be changed out. They are either lead or galvanized, neither of what is ok to keep.

To me the house is well worth fixing up.
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loblolly pine is a yellow pine, one of the strongest natural framing materials used today. If it is that old, it will be very hard. Back in those days they built with what ever trees were handy. One home I restored, built back in 1840, had the roof decked in black walnut, some boards were 30 inches wide, about a 5000 sq/ft house.

I would bet if you refinished those floors they would look sharp. From what I see, that house has had work done on it in modern times. If the boards on the ceilings are in good shape, I would also refinish them and reuse them.

One thing that I see that is glaringly wrong is the plumbing pipes, they really need to be changed out. They are either lead or galvanized, neither of what is ok to keep.

To me the house is well worth fixing up.
That house is sometime after they started building platform houses.
So this is 1930 or later.
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The roof looks like it can be saved
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