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Old 04-04-2018, 12:32 PM   #16
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Re: Type of screw should I use?


That's all the screws are doing is holding two boards together. The screws are not going to be flexing because the board is held tightly to the ceiling by six screws. If anything is able to move around then the screws aren't tight enough. Any load due to weight or pulling on the hose is distributed equally to all the screws because the reel is bolted to the plywood. The larger footprint of the wood absorbs any flexing that might occur and distributes it over a much larger area. This is by no means any more demanding than the job those screws were designed to do, fastening deck framing together.

I have numerous reels, both air hose and electric cord reels hung exactly like this because it's quick and easy and it works so well. These screws have a pilot point and don't require pre-drilling, you better drill a pilot for lag bolts or risk splitting the stud or joist. Better be the right size or it will weaken the screw. Driving a screw is a nice one step operation, when you are holding a 50+ pound reel on the ceiling that's helpful.

My shop gets used most every day and the reels have been hung in place and in use for easily 20+ years. This is a Coxreel 1/2" x 50' reel, according to Northern tool it weighs 51 pounds.



Used a similar method to hang my 350 lb. cyclone dust collector. Four foot 2x12 spanning and attached to 3 studs, two 1/2" carriage bolts pass through both 2x's from the back side and attach the metal frame to the the 2x12's. The 2x12 is attached to the wall with fifteen 3-1/2" #10 screws. Hanging there since 2005 never been any problem.

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It's good to hear those of you that have the experience and had simular items hung with no issues after years of use.

Im leaning towards using #10 screws I posted plus 2 1/4 " lag bolts 3" long with fender washer.

I have friend comming over this afternoon to help hang.

What size pilot hole for 1/4 " lag bolt? Usually just look through bits go about 1/2 size or smaller for pilot hole.

I appreciate all the post. I know this is simple task. I do what it to be safe. Plan for it to be used for years.

Thank you all again.
I will post pics once done.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:25 PM   #18
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That's all the screws are doing is holding two boards together. The screws are not going to be flexing because the board is held tightly to the ceiling by six screws. If anything is able to move around then the screws aren't tight enough. Any load due to weight or pulling on the hose is distributed equally to all the screws because the reel is bolted to the plywood.

Great! That is half of my point. Either BOLT or LAG SCREW the reel. BUT also lag the board it's attached to.

This is by no means any more demanding than the job those screws were designed to do, fastening deck framing together.

Yes it is. Completely different principle. In a structure such as a deck, house or whatever, one board supports another, boards are tied together for strength. From the ground one thing rests upon another, etc. A load isn't tied to one board, load is distributed. Two different scenarios regarding physics. There is a reason that bracing is installed when constructing something and that reason is, typical screws or nails cannot sustain force on their own. Nails will bend, screws will break. Nor are we hooking a load to one deck board when building a deck.

I have numerous reels, both air hose and electric cord reels hung exactly like this because it's quick and easy and it works so well. These screws have a pilot point and don't require pre-drilling, you better drill a pilot for lag bolts or risk splitting the stud or joist. Better be the right size or it will weaken the screw. Driving a screw is a nice one step operation, when you are holding a 50+ pound reel on the ceiling that's helpful.

It's fine to tack things up into place with screws to hold it while you Lag it. That's exactly how I did mine.

My shop gets used most every day and the reels have been hung in place and in use for easily 20+ years. This is a Coxreel 1/2" x 50' reel, according to Northern tool it weighs 51 pounds.



Used a similar method to hang my 350 lb. cyclone dust collector. Four foot 2x12 spanning and attached to 3 studs, two 1/2" carriage bolts pass through both 2x's from the back side and attach the metal frame to the the 2x12's. The 2x12 is attached to the wall with fifteen 3-1/2" #10 screws. Hanging there since 2005 never been any problem.

Please tell me you have jack boards under this and are not supporting 350lbs plus the weight of the 2x12s with only screws! There are good reasons why we install jack boards under headers. There is also good reason why they sell Joist Hangers. Screws are not meant to hold weight!

Just because something works for an application, doesn't mean it is the right way or the SAFE way. People half-azzing things is the reason we have codes upon codes, because people can't be trusted to do things the safe and correct way. Air hoses are yanked, tripped over, etc. time and time again, also have a potential of kids swinging on it playing "George of the Jungle", etc. There are so many safety issues at hand here and potential dangers.

I really cannot believe we are arguing over something so understood. I am not saying that one of these units couldn't be held up with several screws, I am saying it's not the proper or the safe way. There are reasons why Lags are produced and required in several applications. We cannot just screw everything together because it's convenient and worked ok for a couple of other people.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:38 PM   #19
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I've driven thousands and thousands of torx head deck screws and almost never break one. I drive them with either a drill or an impact driver. Framed my entire deck and several others using them, then screwed down all the decking with 2" deck screws. I can drive them just tight or even drive them right on through a piece of lumber, they never break. Drywall screws will snap right off, deck screws don't.

Some brands may be better than others, I usually use the Grip-Rite brand because that's what the local home center keeps. You can bend them over, they might snap off if you try to bend them back. They sure don't snap off driving them in, they don't strip and they don't snap the heads off. Rarely use them in hardwood, not because the screw breaks but because the wood splits. If I do use them with hardwood I pre-drill to avoid splitting. Either way I've used them for a lot more vital fastening jobs than hanging a hose reel.
I am not saying that I break 1 in 10 or anything like that, but maybe 1 in every hundred or so I've used. Not only when screwing into a hardwood post or beam have I had them break, but I've also had them break when going into a knot in softwood. (no I don't purposely screw into knots, they would be in the board behind the board I was screwing).

Many times when removing a temp board, the screw will not come out of the board I took off, so I simply give the threaded part of the screw sticking out of the board a couple of quick whacks with my hammer and it breaks right off. Done this many times before. Always broke easily.

I am very proud of you never breaking one though that is an accomplishment. Either you're really good and got some really good screws or didn't run the thousands that you've said.
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Bolting the reel to the much larger piece of plywood does exactly that. It spreads the load out among a much larger area and divides the weight each screw supports. There is no flex and there is no movement, everything is held completely tight.

All this talk got me motivated to hang a reel in the garage at home today. This one's a cord reel, heavy and bulky enough I didn't feel like I could safely get it up the ladder to the ten foot ceiling and hold it by myself. Cut a small hole in the ceiling, fastened a 2x4 across two truss webs and used a come-a-long in the attic to pull it up. So easy! Makes me wonder how I hung those other two in my shop!



Carriage bolted the reel to a 26x18 piece of 3/4 ply and fastened it with six three inch screws, just like the others in my shop.

Lags, wood screws or sheet metal screws snap off too, I've broken all of them. Any hardened fastener can snap, that doesn't mean it's weak. Grade 8 bolts snap more easily than grade 5, yet they are specified for vital suspension components.

Sure I've broken deck screws, all you need to do is hit a knot. I often do the same thing, sometimes easier to break them off rather than get them out. They break because they are hardened not because they are fragile.

As for the cyclone, that mounting method's right out of the manual. It called for 4-6 lags into two studs, I used 15 screws and spanned 3 studs to get it in the position needed. Been there 13 years, I could lay right down and sleep under it any night, it's not going anywhere.

Have built and finished somewhere around a dozen garages, three or four storage sheds and two houses start to finish. That's on top of every other kind of remodeling, finishing, plumbing and electrical job you can ever imagine. Got enough experience over the last 35 years of adult life to feel completely confident in any project I take on.

I don't use lag screws for kitchen cabinets and I don't lag screw shelf brackets or shelf standards either.
Guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.
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I got reel hung this afternoon.
I ended up using 2 of the #10 3 1/2" wood screws to hold in place. 1 in center joist.
I used 5 1/4" 3" long lag screws with flat washers. 2 each on the outside joist. One in center joist.

I use my weight to pull down on wood 2x10 had no issues.
The only thing I would change is to use plywood over the 2x10. The 2x10 is softer wood than plywood.

I do appreciate everyone post.
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