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Old 05-14-2019, 05:53 AM   #16
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The goal for me is to eliminate as many steps as possible thus the idea of the prefinished plywood.....

I'm looking for any ideas about finishing them in as simple and foolproof method as possible, that's why I was wondering if anyone has used Waterlox?



I've only used that brand a few times, which Waterlox product were you thinking of using? You can save a few steps by sanding and applying the 1st coat or 2 of finish prior to assembly. The final coat should always be applied after assembly.
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I've only used that brand a few times, which Waterlox product were you thinking of using? You can save a few steps by sanding and applying the 1st coat or 2 of finish prior to assembly. The final coat should always be applied after assembly.
I was thinking of the original product which I think is a semi gloss or their satin finish. I was ruminating on the idea of a few coats on the 1x3 maple before I even started building and then on the face frames before attaching them to the carcasses. I think one reason Waterlox is not used more is because of the smell that lingers for weeks.

I also saw some folks using the paint thinner/oil base urethane/linseed oil mixture. I saw some equal parts 1-1-1 mixture and some 3-2-1 ratios. If I went with the unfinished ply maybe I could just roll on 2 or 3 coats of the 3-2-1 mixture before Ieven start cutting up the plywood?
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Don't get too stuck on pocket hole assembly. Sides need to be held fairly precisely and pocket holes need lots of jigs to hold the sides. You can also nail the face frame for precise fit instead of preassembling it. One nail every 12" or so as long as box and the frame are fairly straight. Then really anchor the face frame with pocket hole screws from the open back. Then add finished 1x4 top and bottom frames on inside of the box (for hanging) then cover the back with 1/4" ply. Easier is glue, 16 ga x 1.5" finish air gun then finish with predrill/countersink screws, fine thread drywall screws are convenient for joints that will not be seen.



You will not be using very many plywood. It is possible to pick fairly flat and good face birch or oak plywood from even box stores. Plan early and take your time picking stocks. Try to store them flat indoors, garage is good. Then finish one face by rolling one coat of amber shellac then sand lightly with 150 or so sandpaper. This leaves a smooth surface which you can finish with another coat of urethane (maybe even without sanding again) once the box is assembled. This way, you don't have to worry about scratches, damage fillers, etc during construction.
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Waterlox has both polyurethane and rubbing oil finishes. Boiled linseed oil is along the lines of a rubbed on oil finish. It doesn't dry properly if applied straight out of the can - it needs to be cut in half with paint thinner first. Adding linseed oil or any oil to poly will slow down the drying time and isn't recommended.
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So one long cupboard for a wall that might include the sink the corner and a bank of draws or whatever. All one piece.
If I go with the corner sink layout I would build a bottom in place and put cleats on the wall for the counter top. I would just build a frame for corner sink "cabinet"


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They built cupboard in place in the 40s
This is a simple box build.

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The goal for me is to eliminate as many steps as possible thus the idea of the prefinished plywood.

I'm looking for any ideas about finishing them in as simple and foolproof method as possible, that's why I was wondering if anyone has used Waterlox? Thanks again.

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We built our kitchen cabinets about twelve yeas ago. (quartersawn and
rift dawn white oak) Finished them with
regular Waterlox. Since then we re-waterloxed them two times...
the last time was about 6 weeks ago...

That is the beauty of Waterlox. We washed the cabinets
well, for re-finishing there is NO sanding needed, we first
removed the knobs and maked sure that
the cabs were thoroughly clean. Then we ragged on the waterlox with a clean
soft cloth like a undershirt. The cabinets came out beautifully, they look
brand new. When you first apply the waterlox itís a bit shinny, after several
weeks it tones down.

Note: the first time we applied the waterlox after the build, we gave the
cabs three coats...for the two refresher applications we only used one coat.

FYI...We rag on almost all our stains and poly or waterlox finishes. We get an
even coverage without any drips.
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Hereís the amazon link to waterlox.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=waterlox&...f=nb_sb_noss_1

Forgot to mentioned before doing the waterlox ( for the first time) we
used boiled linseed oil and waited the recommended three to four days
for the BLO to dry before applying the stain...

On the two waterlox refresher applications...we just cleaned the
cabs thoroughly.
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Hereís the amazon link to waterlox.



https://www.amazon.com/s?k=waterlox&...f=nb_sb_noss_1



Forgot to mentioned before doing the waterlox ( for the first time) we

used boiled linseed oil and waited the recommended three to four days

for the BLO to dry before applying the stain...



On the two waterlox refresher applications...we just cleaned the

cabs thoroughly.
Two Knots, thanks for da info! What Waterlox(sheen) product did you use?

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They built cupboard in place in the 40s
This is a simple box build.


Thanks for the vids! I was going to build similar boxes! I think the first vid he used prefinished ply. I figured I might need about 11 carcasses. I was going to assembly line everything and bang through them. Cut up all Plywood first. Then build all frames etc. Try to get a finish on everything best I can before they're assembled.

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If you use all 3/4 material for sides, tops, and bottoms, I would simply screw them together with 2-1/2" long construction screws (star, or Torx drive) using only butt joints. The screws will never be seen, and its a very simple and strong construction technique. The same screws can be used to mount the carcasses to the wall cleats and toe-kick structure as well.
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If you use all 3/4 material for sides, tops, and bottoms, I would simply screw them together with 2-1/2" long construction screws (star, or Torx drive) using only butt joints. The screws will never be seen, and its a very simple and strong construction technique. The same screws can be used to mount the carcasses to the wall cleats and toe-kick structure as well.
Thanks, not a bad idea. It eliminates the need to drill as many pocket holes. Also I keep saying I am using 1x3 for the rails and styles but I'm actually using 1x2 .

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Woody, it just says Waterlox original. I see you mentioned poplar.
I would not recommend Poplar, itís hard to finish (in my opinion)
as compared to other wood. If you thinking of using part Poplar
and part maple, donít do it. It would be impossible to get a good
stain match.

I knew we could build nice cabs...however, the finishing part
kept me awake nights. I think we managed to get a nice finish.
minwax oil based stain...I blended two stains together, english chestnut
and pecan...Then did a lot of research and used Waterlox for the finish.

I just took these pics today. As I said, we refreshed the waterlox ( I just
looked it up, we did it Mid March) so, this is after the waterlox toned down...
it had a lot more shine to it several weeks ago. The rails and styles are
3/4Ē and the floating center panels - we resawed to 1/4Ē thick.
We used euro hinges on the galley kitchen part( first pic)...by
the time we got to the breakfast room area - we used regular hinges on the TV cabinet
and the spice cabinet (second pic) ...we had them on hand so we used them.

Note: the waterlox applied with a rag gives a nice even finish, no
shiny parts and after a few weeks it even looks better...

if you want a pic of the can, Iíll get the can and show you a pic.
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Woody, it just says Waterlox original. I see you mentioned poplar.

I would not recommend Poplar, itís hard to finish (in my opinion)

as compared to other wood. If you thinking of using part Poplar

and part maple, donít do it. It would be impossible to get a good

stain match.



I knew we could build nice cabs...however, the finishing part

kept me awake nights. I think we managed to get a nice finish.

minwax oil based stain...I blended two stains together, english chestnut

and pecan...Then did a lot of research and used Waterlox for the finish.



I just took these pics today. As I said, we refreshed the waterlox ( I just

looked it up, we did it Mid March) so, this is after the waterlox toned down...

it had a lot more shine to it several weeks ago. The rails and styles are

3/4Ē and the floating center panels - we resawed to 1/4Ē thick.

We used euro hinges on the galley kitchen part( first pic)...by

the time we got to the breakfast room area - we used regular hinges on the TV cabinet

and the spice cabinet (second pic) ...we had them on hand so we used them.



Note: the waterlox applied with a rag gives a nice even finish, no

shiny parts and after a few weeks it even looks better...



if you want a pic of the can, Iíll get the can and show you a pic.
i think original is semi gloss. Prob what I'll use. Very nice! Great shape! Classic style, always classy. I'd use birch ply from the plywood supplier if I didn't get the finished maple ply.

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Most sink bases incorporate one or sometimes two false draw fronts directly in front of the sink.

Those can be made to tilt out with a small tray mounted to the back side. Very convenient for sponges, brushes and even bar soap.
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