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Old 03-25-2020, 11:13 AM   #31
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Re: Not thrilled about using personal PC for work


You are blessed to have a job and income (said this retired programmer).

For a final safety net, you could password protect your personal files. It would be a lot of work, I know, but at least you could stay private that way.
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For a final safety net, you could password protect your personal files. It would be a lot of work, I know, but at least you could stay private that way.
Nope. See my post, previous.

It had never occurred to me such issues existed. When I solicited input from fellow on-line computer and network security gurus wrt personal equipment on corporate networks the overwhelming response was don't allow this, ever! Besides the security implications, I was pointed to some FRPs. I consulted those, then did some searching and read some related documents published by legal experts in the field. Same opinions, for the same reasons.

I immediately set about removing any vestige of anything even remotely personal from my work computers, and anything even remotely connected to work from my personal computers.

The only thing I continued doing with my work and personal computers was access to email for each from each. That was relatively safe, because we used IMAP email, which meant all email was preserved on the servers and in backups, and I never used my personal email address for work-related communications or vice-versa.

Never use business resources for personal use. Never use personal resources for business use. Not even email addresses.

Here's why you should never mix business and personal email: Any competently-written corporate security policy will state something like "everything that's on our servers or crosses our network belongs to us." Any personal email account used for business communications becomes subject to discovery.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:46 AM   #33
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I wouldn't do it. Yeah, it's all fun'n games until something blows up at work into a legal fiasco with lawsuits and such, and even though you weren't the problem, just peripherally involved the company's lawyers (or the lawyers of the person filing the EEO lawsuit, sexual harassment lawsuit, whatever) give you a subpoena for access to your PC, including the passwords for your protected personal files, because your computer was connected to the company network, and they think it may contain relevant information.
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... a subpoena for access to your PC, including the passwords for your protected personal files, because your computer was connected to the company network
Excellent point. Since you cannot hold out for a company issued computer, continue going to the office as long as you can. After that, consider getting a cheapie on Craigslist or such.
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:40 PM   #35
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I did not read the tread. So, I will just answer the first questions (maybe repeating everybody else advise).


Before becoming a GC, I was an IT Security Architect with background in telecommuting.


An easy way with any OS: If you don't want to trust and have 2 disk drives and a modern PC:



A) Install your HD for business "ONLY" setup. Standard... nothing else.


B) I assume you have a SATA SSD. If so, Purchase a USB 3.0 to SATA Hard Drive Enclosure External HDD Enclosure. These costs about $15. Put you SDD in the enclosure.


C) Plug-it and boot from it for personal fun. -- reboot on HDD and Unplug-it for work.


Yes, you will have a slight I/O penalty on personal stuff. But, it is often not that noticeable (Except for 4K video mixing).


If you operate under Linux (plenty of secure alternative exist)


Look at KVM and create a windows virtual machine (with container file for a disk) for your job.


Unless you define yourself a share point between your 2 environments, their is no way for your system admin to even know you have others hard disk. So, unless you employers is call NSA, CIA or equivalent: their is 99.999999% chance that your company admin does not know enough about computer.


Company policy:

Generally, it is the company that "SHOULD NOT" permit your PC on their network. The reason is that if your computer is ever infected (with a computer virus), they have little means to protect themselves from your "TRUSTED" PC.

When this is an "Employer" PC, we can force all kind of Firewall and Virus Scanner and intrusion detection on your computer... On a personal computer, you have to ask and manage any potential Un-ethical behavior.
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Simple solution is set up a virtual machine via Oracle VIrtual box (free open software). From there your employer can set up the system on multitude of OS systems Windows, Linux, Many UNIX flavors etc. Utilizes VHI or VM hard drive space from your real (METAL) hard drive however when your done remotely working you can delete it from your Personal Computer PC additionionally the company could image all your work to (ISO file/Raw data) and recreate it on your company PC. * smart to do backups this way. I use virtual OS systems all the time to verify backup and restores which most people and companies dont do.



This is the most effective for your personal saying seperate from your business but using the same PC.

And if your IT department or hire ups dont understand this then look for another employer.


Addtionally you can have an entire OS run on a thumb drive to external disk with out effecting your PC.
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Old 03-26-2020, 12:37 AM   #37
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My employer is using a VPN called OpenVPN with their remote system. It does work with my Linux. But it has to be setup with command line and not GUI. So they probably don't want their help desk spending too much time explaining command line to end users. I used command line to install software on Linux. It wasn't difficult.


I'm a catalog analyst for a national seller. I'm not an IT guy. I'm guessing my employer is not overly concerned about the legal issues you all described because it's not critical to the business they're in.



A couple of you said I should be thankful for having a job. Believe me, I am. But I heard a few of my co-workers spent money on Internet plans and equipment because they were worried about losing their jobs or being furloughed. And the telecommute arrangement is only temporary till the pandemic subsides. Then back in the office for all of them


Sorry, But I'm not rushing out spending money for a wealthy corporation that can lend me the equipment I need for a crisis.


If it was full-time permanent telecommute, I would be willing to invest some of my own money. And I would use the methods you all described here to ensure privacy.



By the way, great information provided here.

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My employer is using a VPN called OpenVPN with their remote system. It does work with my Linux.
I should hope so, since it was originally designed under Unix/Linux.

Configuring an OpenVPN client on Linux is not particularly difficult. There are point-and-drool (GUI) tools for accomplishing it, as well.

There are plenty of on-line how-to's and tutorials on the subject. See, for example: Configure Linux Clients To Connect To OpenVPN Server

How do you know you can't do it if you won't even try?
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Hi More Power,


Thanks for contributing to this discussion. I can install OpenVPN all I want on my home PC with command line or GUI. But it won't do me any good, because the IT department at work won't let me use my Linux desktop with their remote system.......remember?


I'll follow up with you guys, if they come up with another solution. Might take several weeks. This is very educational material you all submitted. I printed it.

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Hi More Power,

Thanks for contributing to this discussion. I can install OpenVPN all I want on my home PC with command line or GUI. But it won't do me any good, because the IT department at work won't let me use my Linux desktop with their remote system.......remember?
My apologies. I misinterpreted your comment "So they probably don't want their help desk spending too much time explaining command line to end users" to mean, not that they wouldn't let you, but that you were ambivalent about trying to make it work.
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No problem, More Power.Thanks again.



I'll follow up with everyone in several weeks.I was told yesterday my superiors will try to work out a solution for me. Nothing guaranteed. I have not refused any suggestions from management since they have not asked me yet
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sorry 3 pages of replies, I only read a few,
I'm in IT, basically bottom line is this

1> servicedesk / IT, don't have time to spy on you (but read below)

2> You can set win10, to block and ask for permission before remoting on, so NO-ONE can remote into you without you knowing

3> Though no-one is spying on you there are plenty of apps, which allow them to see and get notified of the following

1) Downloading/running suspect software (I got pinged by security when I
downloaded a cloning program within 5 minutes on a Saturday morning !
2) Email can and usually is monitored, you sign a disclaimer to this BTW, ppl are
NOT reading your email, BUT, if something gets flagged up, IT sec, usually know
if something is up and reserve the right to check your email OR if they want to
get rid of you this is a good excuse
3) Iffy websites are usually blocked by a firewall and YES they can check your
internet history, though most of the time they don't

3> SPYWARE RANSOMWARE : < THIS is the most problematic along with phising, NO company worth there salt, wants a 3rd party machine, on there network, infecting there machines, your OWN personal machine is a risk, a mom & pop place may ask you, but ANY compnay should give you a loaner laptop

4> Yes, VPN into a VPC for sure, but again you are using your filthy, dirty, unsecure machine on there clean network

I know this for a fact (and have learned that) companies, generally give you a lot of lee-way BUT they have disclaimers, so incase a manager or HR want to let you go, they use it as a get out of jail free card, company or personal machine.

On a company machine, it is ONLY for company purposes at all times, not for saving yuor photo's, not for FB, twitter, youtube, netflix ANYTHING not even checking your personal email. Even ordering something using your company machine can be considered theft of bandwidth/company time. SERIOUSLY..

Me (for last 7 years) youtube/facebook/personal mail/order stuff/netflix even accidentally googled up boobs ad got a nice few pictures of some celebs tits LOL

But then I work permanent weekends, 6-3pm, am never late and my work etic is 2nd to none, plus I'm kind to pets and children LOL

GET a company machine, but I'd say ok, to use your own internet, the trade off is rolling out of your bed in PJ's saving gas, food and all that crap
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