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Old 01-15-2019, 04:16 PM   #61
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OK, going back to this topic....If you understood how non-volatile memory works, you'd understand why there is concern about lifespan versus the number of write cycles.

To write (or erase) a cell, you literally blow a hole through a physical insulator with an electron. After you make enough holes in an insulator, it is no longer an insulator. It's a screen door on a submarine.

They are coming up with ways for the cells to be self-repairing, but I'm not sure how common that is yet.
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Out of 300 or so Computers built, I had only one single Failure. Can't say that about Hard Drives. They are still working in my NAS's,
Traditional Storage Devices ( Hard Drives) are on the way out. In 2018, I probably gotten 10-12 Hard Drives in for File recovery, half of them I had to send over to Colleges with a Clean-Room for disassembly.

SSD's are faster, create less Heat, in Laptop's they don't use much Battery,
and IMHO they are more robust.
(Try dropping a Hard Drive from 3 feet onto a Concrete Floor.)
Most of all, Prices have come down to the point that I can install them now in all my new Builds.
I sold probably 30-40 Computers in 2018, all have SSD's in them, no Failure.
Like I said, I had one failure in 2015 or so.
I am using Samsung and Crucial. They are made in the same Factories.
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$50k?!? Eff that, I'll stick with my 500GB SSD LOL

Testing figures an SSD is good for somewhere around 100-200TB worth of writes. (Though some of the higher quality [Pro] models can hit 2PB - https://techreport.com/review/27909/...heyre-all-dead. A newer test done in Germany 2016 actually got 9.1PB out of a Samsung 850 Pro.)

Of course, you don't want to "plan" for that kind of lasting power. Especially not if you've got important data (pictures, documents, etc.)


Cost might be the main thing that keeps platter HDD's around. I just don't see folks being ready to jump into SSD's yet. Give it a decade heh
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:42 AM   #63
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Traditional Storage Devices ( Hard Drives) are on the way out. In 2018, I probably gotten 10-12 Hard Drives in for File recovery, half of them I had to send over to Colleges with a Clean-Room for disassembly.
Well the difference is that most HDD failures are caused by software errors, not hardware failure (unless the drive is dropped). I prefer to blame Bill Gates, even though he isn't actually responsible.

When high write cycles are involved, magnetic is still more reliable than solid state. But as I said, as solid state begins perfecting the self-repairing cells, they become more reliable.
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Old 01-16-2019, 05:38 AM   #64
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You can argue 24/7 as to which drive is better but no one has mentioned the most important thing & that's backups. Your data should be in 2 other places besides your main computer no matter if you shut down or not.
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That's a good point Guap0.


I have a loose drive I keep all my documents and pictures on (which I should admittedly update more often,) plus a dedicated drive in my system that I keep it all on - then I have a drive fully dedicated to image files for Windows farts.


I'm looking into getting a network drive as well. It'll be a backup and the kids and husband will have access to all our pictures and the on-line music and movie collections.
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All that's good but let's take it a step further. Both of us are using on site backups. We really should have an off site backup as well. I'm not a fan of the cloud because cloud users can't adjust it's security. One could keep a hard drive in a safe deposit box, at a friend's house or even setup an FTP server at a friend's house. I do the next best thing. That's keeping a drive in a fire resistant strong box.
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My PC runs 24/7.


Runs full scan every night, and backups frequently too (commonly backup each night, but have it set to once per week right now). Frequently, I will also listen to audio podcasts while in bed at night.


Operating system and commonly used files and programs are on SSD. Files less commonly used, and backups are on HDD. Once per week, everything gets backed up to a second computer, and every 6 months everything gets backed up to a portable drive and taken to a family member's house.


I did recently replace the hard drive. It was 9 years old and I was getting enough faults to make me nervous.
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All that's good but let's take it a step further. Both of us are using on site backups. We really should have an off site backup as well. I'm not a fan of the cloud because cloud users can't adjust it's security. One could keep a hard drive in a safe deposit box, at a friend's house or even setup an FTP server at a friend's house. I do the next best thing. That's keeping a drive in a fire resistant strong box.

I guess it depends on how you define "on site" - I keep my drive in the fire rated gun safe in the detached shop (which is why it's not as updated as it should be HA)




I'm not keen on the cloud either. I do throw "really important" files onto my server's (I did web development for a while and I grew so fond of hosting my own content that I kept em.)
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On site is when the backup is in the same place as the computer.
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Right.

Both my servers are "off site" - IIRC they're located in California and Texas.

I could make a good argument that the gun safe is "off site" because the shop is far enough from the house that it's unlikely to get caught in a house fire before the volunteer fire department gets across the road to put it out :P
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I'm not against a gun safe. That's good.
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my deskstop 'shuts down' after 30 min no activity... monitors same..

I hit a key, move my mouse, the computer is usable with in 30 seconds.

when i say shuts down, its off... not even the cpu fan is spinning.. it is 'off'
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I hit a key, move my mouse, the computer is usable with in 30 seconds.
If you only have to move the mouse, it didn't shut down. It went to sleep or it went in to hibernation. If you go into the control panel & power options, you can stop that from happening.
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Well the difference is that most HDD failures are caused by software errors, not hardware failure (unless the drive is dropped). I prefer to blame Bill Gates, even though he isn't actually responsible.

When high write cycles are involved, magnetic is still more reliable than solid state. But as I said, as solid state begins perfecting the self-repairing cells, they become more reliable.
Hard drive failure by definition is a hardware failure.

Sectors messed up by writing errors can be fixed with disk scan utilities. Worst case, a low level format is required.
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Hey there,

I'm not going to chug through, a lot of pages, but will give you my IMHO as a ServiceDesk tech..

I sometimes leave it on IF it is doing some long task, such as converting videos. But I have it set to sleep at about the 5 hour mark.

I've lost track of people leaving there machines on by just locking it, then having problems..

I would always advise the following (to my clients)

mon-fri, end of day, put it to sleep, boots up faster
friday end of day, power down

If your not using the LT/DT at home, power it down





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I have read pros and cons for both, but still not convinced which is best.

Just something about my PC getting rebooted every morning make's me think I will be more susceptible to, awaiting "upgrades" from WIN 10 that I don't want.

So which one should it be, leave the desktop PC on all night or turn it off ?
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