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Old 03-19-2020, 07:46 PM   #1
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Howdy, I'm interested in hearing your opinions.
The issue: water entering basement from 3 locations
Per the sketch, the "large water flow" is coming in from below, at the transition between bullhead & outer basement(newer construction)
It flows at an amazing pace with heavy rains/melting: as in, the sump pump cycles every 15 minutes when it's real heavy flow(a 2 foot hole, 1.5 feet diameter) +\-
The nearby "leak from under floor", ends up causing flooding in the older basement(the main/usable space), and this appears to be in the transition from old to new foundation.
I recently had a fellow come in , who deals in "Water Guard" systems.. and his recommendation is they cut the concrete 18" out from wall, & put down their "Water Guard" piping/channel thingies..and direct the two leftmost leaks into the pump & out.
I'm hearing conflicting things about cutting into the existing basement floor...good/bad..
The job was specd out at > $4300...which is too rich for my purse...
I could spend $300 + cement, and do it myself...


Any thoughts?
Here's a page of pics I just took to hopefully make it easier to understand..


ps. I'm not really focusing on the 3rd leak(by workshop)...the other two are the priority


Thanks much for looking, and I'm happy to provide clarifying info as needed..
Rich
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At least 90% of basement water proofing needs to be addressed outside not inside.
Really need some pictures of what's going on outside, not pictures of what it looks like after the damage has been done.
Things like working gutters with down spouts leading away from the home, grade sloping away from the foundation, never ever having mulch or any form of water retaining landscape timbers or walls near the foundation can make a world of difference.
When it was built if the outside of the foundation was never sealed and a drain tile or French drain was installed there's for sure going to be issues.
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The perimeter drain if you had one has failed. There is not to much fancy about a french drain under the floor. So don't deal with people that have fancy names on their product. "Water Guard" piping/channel thingies.
It is a lot of work but yes you can do it yourself.
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The steps and its niche are wet, do you have a bulkhead that is allowing water in?

The "Water Guard" system takes water that is already in the basement or flowing down inside walls, and catches it and directs it to the sump. So if you don't mind the water still being inside before its collected, by all means spend the dough on that product.
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Thanks fellas for the advice.
Below is a link to a google view of my house(left of pine tree).
It's not the best I know, but you see the willow tree in the back? that's 1/2 way between the house, and the back of the property, which is all on a slope downward toward the house.
I've had two guys tell me that a french drain running across the yard, to try & catch water BEFORE it makes it to the foundation, might catch 80% of it(anyone's guess)...and that's a whooole lotta work if it's not going to help the two spots that are pushing water up through the floor..
I wish I knew exactly how much a drain like that would help...but I suppose there's just no way of knowing..
I guess the question is, since I don;t have $4 to burn, and a french drain is not a sure fix, maybe a inside perimeter drain is the way to go?
btw, I was thinking of the 3 or 4 " drain pipe you get at Lowes(solid PVC w/holes)



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What's that pile of rubble behind your mailbox?
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What's that pile of rubble behind your mailbox?

actually, I forgot that folk can pan around using that link & see better views..
That pile is a basin created for the apartments next door, and also is where the contractor said we would terminate the french drain, if I went that route..




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Seems to me like you could just build a gentle dike around the back of the house that directs the runoff from the hillside behind to the street.
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Seems to me like you could just build a gentle dike around the back of the house that directs the runoff from the hillside behind to the street.

If I understand you correctly, that's for water above ground..yes?
My issue is groundwater.. at some level below
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This is what you would be after doing. The cheapest black plastic corrugated pipe is the best for this.



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If I understand you correctly, that's for water above ground..yes?
My issue is groundwater.. at some level below
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My point is, if you let the water run off before if gets underground, you will have less of a problem to deal with at the actual house.
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If I understand you correctly, that's for water above ground..yes?
My issue is groundwater.. at some level below
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Where are you pumping the water to?

Are the downspouts directed away from the house?
Do you have a septic system and where would that be?
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Where are you pumping the water to?

Are the downspouts directed away from the house?
Do you have a septic system and where would that be?

Pumping outside, into 1 1/2" PVC directed away from the house
I'm on city sewer


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Pumping outside, into 1 1/2" PVC directed away from the house
I'm on city sewer


Thanks,
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You didn't say anything about the walls so can we assume the damp proofing on the outside is working?

Do you know if you have an original perimeter drain around the outside of the footing, If one is there where would it take the water.

When I was a kid we dug down and pumped water out of that system and saved the basement work.
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I haven't dug up anything , so don;t know about footing/drains.
It's built in 1930 ish..
the drain channel that's been cut into the basement inside perimeter, looks to me to have been there for some time, so not sure if there's footer drain at all..
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