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Old 07-22-2019, 04:21 PM   #16
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Argh, the cracking. Might have been too aggressive and forceful on the weaving/tree may have been too big already. I hope it adjusts!


That's usually done when it's more flexible and younger I think? Then again, how do they get taller ones that are woven so high? Not like you can go back and reweave the bottom!


Do keep updating though, very interesting project!


I just cut down 20' of buckthorn along my fence to put in something that's not a "hate tree" (I'm so scratched up, crazy stuff has 2" thorns tough enough to puncture tires!). The owners like 30 years ago planted them right ON the fence on purpose too! Improvised barbed wire??


Thus far I have some Willow (ooh, now THAT stuff should pleach...) and a couple of other things. More will have to await next year, so updates will be very helpful!


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Alright, the new season is here, and much to my surprise, I do believe my lilac is going to try to bloom this year regardless of the heavy trim she got o.O (I'd read that she'd probably not bloom this year and possibly not even the year after) She has a ton of bloom's starting at the crown right now though.


We haven't taken the ratchet straps off her quite yet (they're supposed to train the trunks into the new "weave" shape) but we'll probably do that next weekend and see how the trunk shaping fared. Here's how she looks right now:

Pleaching very mature lilac - To graft, or not to graft?-20200530_145142.jpg Pleaching very mature lilac - To graft, or not to graft?-20200530_145156.jpg Pleaching very mature lilac - To graft, or not to graft?-20200530_145228.jpg

My original plan was to keep the trunk bare, but I'm not sure I can maintain that the way she's sprouting down there... Everything at the bottom there is new growth the past couple weeks, I'd trimmed all those sproutlings to the ground and sealed it all just before it snowed last fall. She's a weed.

I fear the vast majority of these new sproutlings are coming out of the main trunk, NOT out of the ground, so putting mulch around her base isn't going to stop them from constantly growing out.

My options are to seal spray the entire bottom trunk OR weaving all those new branches around the trunk, then using some kind of light weight mesh to keep them contained at the trunk.

I haven't decided which way I'm going to go yet. Summer is only just getting started up here (trees popped their leaves out late week before last) so I want a better feel of how these saplings are going to grow before I do anything.

I'm kinda okay with the way it almost has an hour glass shape with the bushyness at the bottom as well as the top.

Anyway, I'll check back in when we take off the ratchet straps and see how she holds her shape without them
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Alright, the new season is here, and much to my surprise, I do believe my lilac is going to try to bloom this year regardless of the heavy trim she got o.O (I'd read that she'd probably not bloom this year and possibly not even the year after) She has a ton of bloom's starting at the crown right now though.


We haven't taken the ratchet straps off her quite yet (they're supposed to train the trunks into the new "weave" shape) but we'll probably do that next weekend and see how the trunk shaping fared. Here's how she looks right now:

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My original plan was to keep the trunk bare, but I'm not sure I can maintain that the way she's sprouting down there... Everything at the bottom there is new growth the past couple weeks, I'd trimmed all those sproutlings to the ground and sealed it all just before it snowed last fall. She's a weed.

I fear the vast majority of these new sproutlings are coming out of the main trunk, NOT out of the ground, so putting mulch around her base isn't going to stop them from constantly growing out.

My options are to seal spray the entire bottom trunk OR weaving all those new branches around the trunk, then using some kind of light weight mesh to keep them contained at the trunk.

I haven't decided which way I'm going to go yet. Summer is only just getting started up here (trees popped their leaves out late week before last) so I want a better feel of how these saplings are going to grow before I do anything.

I'm kinda okay with the way it almost has an hour glass shape with the bushyness at the bottom as well as the top.

Anyway, I'll check back in when we take off the ratchet straps and see how she holds her shape without them
How about a picture of the flowers when they come?

We used to have lilacs in Ohio, not so good out here.
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@DoomsDave I can do that for ya

Also, I thought lilacs grew /everywhere/ - the more you know!
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@DoomsDave I can do that for ya

Also, I thought lilacs grew /everywhere/ - the more you know!
Lilacs have to have winter cold, like a lot of nice garden plants. These include most of the spring bulbs, "stone fruits" and apples, and, interestingly, Dahlias, at least the Dutch kind.

So when we run off to California, we pine for some of the plants from the old place . . . .
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Lilacs have to have winter cold, like a lot of nice garden plants. These include most of the spring bulbs, "stone fruits" and apples, and, interestingly, Dahlias, at least the Dutch kind.

So when we run off to California, we pine for some of the plants from the old place . . . .
Thanks for the infos, you've checked off my "learn something new every day" for the day. \o/
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Small update, so I undid one of the strings and this happened:

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Also, OMG the suckers at the bottom are totally taking over...

I'm not sure what we're gonna do with this monster now. I'm hoping for no rain this weekend so I can try to figure it out. Not holding my breath, it was hailing yesterday lol


Also if you look close at the loose branch, you can see all the dead stuff on it. The blooms die almost instantly when the trunk is seriously damaged. I think that whole branch is a gonner, but I wanted to give it a couple days to see if it's all dead, or if the top is recoverable.
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Small update, so I undid one of the strings and this happened:

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Also, OMG the suckers at the bottom are totally taking over...

I'm not sure what we're gonna do with this monster now. I'm hoping for no rain this weekend so I can try to figure it out. Not holding my breath, it was hailing yesterday lol


Also if you look close at the loose branch, you can see all the dead stuff on it. The blooms die almost instantly when the trunk is seriously damaged. I think that whole branch is a gonner, but I wanted to give it a couple days to see if it's all dead, or if the top is recoverable.
Sorry to hear it's so high-maint, but the blossoms are sure pretty! Does it smell as mouthwatering as it looks?

Maybe some close ups that might help to decide what to remove and what to keep? We had a lilac in Ohio that would get "water sprouts" all the time.
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Those pics were about "half" bloomed, she's real close to popping out now, probs by this weekend she'll be in full bloom.

I'd gone out and checked this morning and the one branch is indeed half dead, though I didn't see a noticeable break on it. Unfortunately that means the damage is internal so it'll have to get cut off. I think I'm going to cut it at the main "trunk" and see if it grows any suckers in an upward direction.

I was kind of liking the even more pronounced hourglass composition it's got with the suckers at the base this year, but I think they're all going to have to go as well - they're already trying to take over the back deck heh
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I love lilacs. One of the things things I’m sad about not growing in Fla.

When I lived up north dad bought me a dark purple one. My GF liked it so he bought her one. Her son mowed it down. Dad bought her a 2nd one and told her to plant it somewhere safe. She said, “only place safe is my neighbors yard.”
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Husband just bought one of these. I am forcing him to build a fence around my baby spruce and another small flowering bush I'd had him plant last summer...

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