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Old 10-09-2019, 10:26 AM   #16
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When I created my vegetable garden a number of years ago in a field that had never been cultivated, I put down big pieces of cardboard (got from the big recycling collection place). Then I layered weeds, leaves, horse manure and on the top, thick layers of straw. The next year (I live in Michigan, by the way), I dug up just the rows I wanted to plant. Every year there after I would in the late fall, clean up the dead foliage and put down more manure in the rows and re-mulch with straw. The straw keeps the spring weeds down. I rotated what I planted every year to a different quadrant of the garden. So I never tilled the whole thing ever. I just dug up the rows where I was going to plant something. I had a great garden for years. Now I have turned it into a native plant garden. Good luck.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:34 AM   #17
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Why are people so opposed to tilling? Yes, it's hard work. But, having dug several gardens (which I learned to do by watching my father do it when I was little), there is just nothing that comes close to being as satisfying as digging. At the end of the day, your muscles ache and you're tired as a rock, but there's all that beautiful loose soil just waiting for you to plant something. Plants love it and grow much better in nicely tilled soil.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:26 AM   #18
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Why are people so opposed to tilling? Yes, it's hard work. .

For some of us it is harder than for others.
Storage space for the tiller.
Maintenance for the tiller.
In some urban lots it isn't practical.
Some object to the noise.


I'm sure others will add some more to the list.


Now I do own, store and sometimes use an urban sized Mantis tiller so I'm not a purist on the subject.


For urban small scale gardens or flower beds it is the perfect machine.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:45 PM   #19
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You won't be tilling but drilling your seed at planting time. Helpful website, https://notillagriculture.com/
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:10 PM   #20
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A few weeks ago I read about a gardening trend that a woman introduced about 30 years ago that is becoming more popular. She lines up a row of mulch in a raised bed, plants the vegetables in the mulch and covers it with burlap to keep it moist. She never weeds and her maintenance is much lower.



I can't find her name online right now, but if I can recall it, I' ll post it for you.


Oh yeah, woman named Penny Kelly psychically channels garden fairies that tells her how to plant her garden and when to water. But I don't know if you are psychic and if that interests you...........LOL
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:24 PM   #21
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Is straw on a garden or seeded lawn a NE thing? I don't think I've ever seen that. Why not?
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I prefer to run soaker hoses under black plastic mulch and cut holes to plant through the plastic. Water preservation, soil warming and very little weeding result.
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Is straw on a garden or seeded lawn a NE thing? I don't think I've ever seen that. Why not?

Straw on a seeded lawn? I saw that all the time when I lived in VA.

The straw does not allow the seed to blow away, hides it from the birds and retains moisture. And it's cheap.


But I live in Dallas now and sod is very popular. Relatively cheap, instant satisfaction and the sod is easier to integrate than a seeded lawn in a hot environment.
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Straw on a seeded lawn? I saw that all the time when I lived in VA.

The straw does not allow the seed to blow away, hides it from the birds and retains moisture. And it's cheap.


But I live in Dallas now and sod is very popular. Relatively cheap, instant satisfaction and the sod is easier to integrate than a seeded lawn in a hot environment.

Straw placed over a seeded lawn is an erosion control best management practice (BMP) until the lawn is fully established. The straw helps retain moisture and keeps rain from washing it away (except on a steep grade). All states have Erosion & Sedimentation/Storm Water laws and rules as mandated by the USEPA.
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For some of us it is harder than for others.
Storage space for the tiller.
Maintenance for the tiller.
In some urban lots it isn't practical.
Some object to the noise.


I'm sure others will add some more to the list.


Now I do own, store and sometimes use an urban sized Mantis tiller so I'm not a purist on the subject.


For urban small scale gardens or flower beds it is the perfect machine.
Yeah, except the tiller I use is this one:



No noise, no storage issues, no maintenance, no exhaust to breathe in, and EXTREMELY satisfying to use. And healthy to use, too.
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Straw placed over a seeded lawn is an erosion control best management practice (BMP) until the lawn is fully established. The straw helps retain moisture and keeps rain from washing it away (except on a steep grade). All states have Erosion & Sedimentation/Storm Water laws and rules as mandated by the USEPA.
*Rain* maybe that's the difference.
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Why are people so opposed to tilling? Yes, it's hard work. But, having dug several gardens (which I learned to do by watching my father do it when I was little), there is just nothing that comes close to being as satisfying as digging. At the end of the day, your muscles ache and you're tired as a rock, but there's all that beautiful loose soil just waiting for you to plant something. Plants love it and grow much better in nicely tilled soil.

If you're interested in some of the claimed advantages of no till, see the
link below. As always, YMMV

https://learn.eartheasy.com/articles/no-till-gardening/
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:04 PM   #28
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Yeah, except the tiller I use is this one:

No noise, no storage issues, no maintenance, no exhaust to breathe in, and EXTREMELY satisfying to use. And healthy to use, too.



Several years ago I bought a tilling attachment for my Troy Built weed trimmer. It has four small tines that till the soil in a small area. I thought it would be a good alternative to a roto tiller. Wrong.


It makes a lot of noise, it will vibrate the fillings from your teeth, and the only thing it will till is the fresh pine bark mulch you distributed the week prior.



If you try using it on any ground whether it is raw ground or even previously tilled ground, it bounces up and down and barely scratches the surface. I used it several times and determined it was worthless under every condition and now it hangs on my garage wall, taking up space on the pegboard.
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Yeah, except the tiller I use is this one:



No noise, no storage issues, no maintenance, no exhaust to breathe in, and EXTREMELY satisfying to use. And healthy to use, too.
You've gotta get a different shovel.That D handle can't be satisfying.
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