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Old 10-06-2019, 01:40 PM   #1
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No till gardening


Moved into this place last December and the garden soil isn't that
great, so I think I'll continue to till in compost in the short term.

After that I'm considering switching to no till. Wondering if others
have no till experience. Interested in any experience including
weed/grass suppression w/o tilling. I'm not extremely averse to
glyphosate/roundup but it also wouldn't be my first choice.

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Moved into this place last December and the garden soil isn't that
great, so I think I'll continue to till in compost in the short term.

After that I'm considering switching to no till. Wondering if others
have no till experience. Interested in any experience including
weed/grass suppression w/o tilling. I'm not extremely averse to
glyphosate/roundup but it also wouldn't be my first choice.

TIA
For experimental purposes with your new garden space, consider till and no till areas to determine which works best for you.

I'm not sure a hoe is considered no till but a pusher/puller hoe sure does a number on weeds when they are small and the sharp blade is about 0.6mm below the surface.

But in my opinion a 6-8" layer of good straw mulch is better than weeding of any kind.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:45 PM   #3
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This fall I planted a Tillage Radish that has a very long root and will till under after the first frost than replant in early Spring & repeat. This root is used for compost.
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:11 PM   #4
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If you improve the soil it is entirely possible. I did it for quite a few years using a modified soil, raised beds and intensive planting. Managed to make 3 kids hate veggies with that garden.



Now I mostly only grow tomatoes and the only time I till is when I am working in compost or other organic matter.
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If you improve the soil it is entirely possible. I did it for quite a few years using a modified soil, raised beds and intensive planting. Managed to make 3 kids hate veggies with that garden.

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I have nephews that won't touch a canned green bean because their mother canned over a hundred Qt. each year.
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I have nephews that won't touch a canned green bean because their mother canned over a hundred Qt. each year.
That's funny I can't stand fresh or frozen, but i like the canned ones.
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I wish I had a picture, the new neighbour 30 years ago. laid out a big grid on his lawn and every 3 feet dug up a plot for his garden plants, just left enough grass to run the lawn mower. He said he didn't like weeding.
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@CodeMatters - What's your version of no till? I hadn't heard that term. It almost sounds like something from the '70's. I read some about it.

It seems like people do garden work according to their personalities.

I drive by the flooded rice fields here & some flood early, some late. Some discourage wild birds, some encourage. Some get rid of the crawdads, some don't.
Some till & till, some don't.

I remember the smaller rice ponds in China, & tiny terraced farms on the hills, when I was a child. Hard labor with water buffalos but in the water. Maybe that made it easier.

All have mosquitos at night!

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Still figuring what my version of no till would be. What I'm thinking is that
each spring I'd spread a layer of compost over the whole garden then break
up the soil a little with a pitch fork or broadfork. The fork action would be a
little gyrating and prying to give a little lift to the soil but without turning over.
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Still figuring what my version of no till would be. What I'm thinking is that
each spring I'd spread a layer of compost over the whole garden then break
up the soil a little with a pitch fork or broadfork. The fork action would be a
little gyrating and prying to give a little lift to the soil but without turning over.
Pitch fork? I've used on just as you say, but if I were in a hurry I'd get me one of them thar Rotary Hoes.
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I'm dying of curiosity, as an old fart in training who can't do this tillage [feces] no more.

Keep going.

I will say that tillage rocks.

BUT

Alternatives? Give 'em to me.
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Still figuring what my version of no till would be. What I'm thinking is that
each spring I'd spread a layer of compost over the whole garden then break
up the soil a little with a pitch fork or broadfork. The fork action would be a
little gyrating and prying to give a little lift to the soil but without turning over.
Okay, I'm imagining you gyrating. . .
Is there a video? Is it to music?
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Still figuring what my version of no till would be. What I'm thinking is that
each spring I'd spread a layer of compost over the whole garden then break
up the soil a little with a pitch fork or broadfork. The fork action would be a
little gyrating and prying to give a little lift to the soil but without turning over.

Something along those lines will work but compost over the paths is wasted and the paths do become compacted and the fork doesn't worked so well in those areas.


Note that a raised bed does not need a container to surround it. It is merely raised because you don't walk on it.



Search for French bio intensive gardening and square foot gardening then combine the two approaches to create your own style.
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Thanks @colbyt , more than one idea in your post that I'll consider.
Searching "french bio intensive gardening" led me (indirectly) to this
video which I found useful:
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Thanks @colbyt , more than one idea in your post that I'll consider.
Searching "french bio intensive gardening" led me (indirectly) to this
video which I found useful:

That my friend in a heck of a lot of work and I did do it at the other house for the larger garden.
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