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Old 12-16-2008, 07:11 PM   #31
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When times get hard people cut back on everything. To many it is all about survival and they could care less about green.
I can understand your statement when it comes to big purchases that will take several years for the payback. I sell energy efficient doors & windows and we are not setting any records this fall--people are a little tight right now.

On the other hand, there are tons of ways to be green and actually save money, here's a short list of some of the changes I made this year:

1. Internet faxing- Direct savings of $480 in monthly fees, $280 in toner for the fax machine since we are now almost 90% paperless and maybe a $50 savings in paper (these numbers are off of the top of my head). Total savings $810- out of pocket expenses $000.00

2. Recycling- we pay a $2.00 fee for every garbage bag that we put on the curb. By recycling everything we save about 1.5 garbage bags a week. Total savings $156, out of pocket expenses $6.00 for an extra recycling bin.

3. Bulk ordering a green caulking that works better than the high VOC stuff at the home centers. Total savings $1276.80 out of pocket expenses $000.00

4. Home grown organic veggies- I have no clue how much we saved but I love to eat a ton of tomatoes and my little garden produced tomatoes from early June until late October. It got to the point where I supplied most of the people on my street with fresh organic produce (I should of sold them). As a wild guess 5 months at $15.00 per week= $300 and my out of pocket was around $100 for above ground planters and starter plants.

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1. Internet faxing- Direct savings of $480 in monthly fees, $280 in toner for the fax machine since we are now almost 90% paperless and maybe a $50 savings in paper (these numbers are off of the top of my head). Total savings $810- out of pocket expenses $000.00
Hi fhivinylwindows,

As a work from home dude (when I am not on the road) I really like that idea of internet faxing.

What about on the receiver's end? Do you know if an internet fax can be received by a computer vs a fax maching to save even more on toner and paper in the grander picture?

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Hi fhivinylwindows,

As a work from home dude (when I am not on the road) I really like that idea of internet faxing.

What about on the receiver's end? Do you know if an internet fax can be received by a computer vs a fax maching to save even more on toner and paper in the grander picture?

Thanks,
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They show up as an e-mail. I can view mine on my phone and even send one from my phone if I am on the road. When someone sends me one I can have the system forward it to as many people as I like. Since the incoming faxes are PDF's there is really no need to print them--just store them on your computer.

When I want to send one I just create an email with the fax number and then add who I use for a fax service like 1-508-777-7777@myfax.com). I can add excel or word file or just type out a page.

Shop around for the best rates based on your usage, for me myfax had the best plan but others might have a better plan for you. Since I now have most of my vendors talked into e-mails instead of faxes I only get maybe 20 faxes a week compared to a couple hundred a week a year ago.
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Internet faxing from computer to computer is called email.

I just scan all documents that I need to "fax" and then send it as an email. I get a copy on my computer and there is no paper or toner used on either end. Most companies do that and they are called PDF's.

I even have a gif of my signature and just put that on the document if I have to sign it. If it is a PDF I convert it to a text document, sign it and save it as another pdf and send it. Just did that last week for a warranty on a Jacuzzi tub.

Faxing is so last century.

When I do things to save money I go for the big items. Like solar hot water that heats not only my hot water but my house. Savings over 10 years amounts to tens of thousands of dollars.

I don't understand how buying green caulking saves you $1200 and there is not out of pocket expense? Seems to me that the stuff isn't free and has to cost you something. Plus the average homeowner is not going to buy cases of the stuff.

As for garbage we pay by the can. If we have extra we put it in the neighbors or vise versa. Kind of a community thing there. No savings for us there.

I get brand new windows for $10 for a 4040 with screen and stickers. After I put the window in I apply for the energy credit and get $2.25/sq ft and end up making money when I do that. Total out of the pocket to me is $-20.00 considering the caulking and stop seal.

Sheetrock comes from new house construction and is left overs that they leave or toss since it is more expensive to return it. Most of it is half sheets and I just have to do a little more taping.

When I plan out a room I make sure the design is flexible so that I can alter it depending on what kind of supplies I get. Then I gather the supplies and store them outside and once they are all assembled I make the update to the room.

Even my wire is left overs. If I have a 6 foot piece of wire then I just put in a socket. Can't have enough sockets these days. I wire the average room for about $100.

I bought a portable mill and get wind falls out of the forest and cut my own lumber. Instead of a tree going to rot I cut lumber out of it and get it for next to nothing. I can cut enough lumber in one day to build a 2000 sq ft house and do it all for about $200 and 10 hours of some hard work for me and my wife.

My neighbors call me the scavenger. If they need something they just call me and I start looking for it.

Look at my windows in the New Room. I got them for $100 for all of them (plus one that wasn't put in and will be for another project). They are double glazed, brand new, and the two on either side of the picture window (5060) are casement (2060). That's at least $750 worth of windows if you bought them new (Milgard).

When I think of savings I think long term and large sums of money. The really cool part is that I do it on the cheap.
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Internet faxing from computer to computer is called email.



Faxing is so last century.

When I do things to save money I go for the big items. Like solar hot water that heats not only my hot water but my house. Savings over 10 years amounts to tens of thousands of dollars.

I don't understand how buying green caulking saves you $1200 and there is not out of pocket expense? Seems to me that the stuff isn't free and has to cost you something. Plus the average homeowner is not going to buy cases of the stuff.


My neighbors call me the scavenger. If they need something they just call me and I start looking for it.


When I think of savings I think long term and large sums of money. The really cool part is that I do it on the cheap.
Marvin, I was talking about internet fax as one user faxing from their computer to a stand alone fax machine. I guess two people could use an internet fax system to send e-mail faxes but that would be a little silly.

Correct on faxing being so last century----the problem is most people don't know that yet.

In reference to the caulking, I save $1.33 per tube buying it in bulk. Granted a home owner will not want or need to buy it in bulk but it saves me money and I can pass the savings onto them if I want.

You sound a little like my neighbor Ernie with your thrifty (and green) ways to save on home improvements! I can't think of a single item that I would need to build a home that he doesn't have sitting around.
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Marvin, I was talking about internet fax as one user faxing from their computer to a stand alone fax machine. I guess two people could use an internet fax system to send e-mail faxes but that would be a little silly.

Correct on faxing being so last century----the problem is most people don't know that yet.

In reference to the caulking, I save $1.33 per tube buying it in bulk. Granted a home owner will not want or need to buy it in bulk but it saves me money and I can pass the savings onto them if I want.

You sound a little like my neighbor Ernie with your thrifty (and green) ways to save on home improvements! I can't think of a single item that I would need to build a home that he doesn't have sitting around.
Most companies are into paper reduction. Very few don't have most of their documents online in some form or another.

Scanners are cheap and fast. In fact a scanner is a fax without the modem. It just sends the data to the computer instead of over the phone lines.

My driveway is full of stuff for projects that are not even started yet.

Just last week I picked up 4 cu yds of top soil from a neighbor down the street that she over ordered. Got it for free. I just took my wagon and loaded it up and hauled it over to my house. I had scraped off the top 6 inches of soil as it was nothing but rock and clay and it was difficult to grow a nice lawn.

It took me about 20 trips to haul it all but it was worth the time and I got a whole lot of exercise. I imagine I exhaled a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere but with the extremely cold weather we are having we could use a little, no make that a lot, of global warming. We are having record lows around here and have not seen weather like this in over 40 years.

The forecast is for another 2-5 inches of global warming by this weekend.
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In some areas rain barrels are illegal because the rain that falls is under the jurisdiction of the city or county. That is the case in many places in Oregon.

I collect rain water anyhow. Let them come and mess with me. Not only do I save rain water I use it for toilet water which is illegal. It is filtered to keep it from clogging up the valve in the toilets.

Plus I drain my tub/shower into the back yard to water the trees, lawn and garden. This is also illegal but I do it anyhow.
I cant believe that they have made it illigal to catch rain water where you are living! Im in South Africa and we reuse all our grey water and the rain water goes for not just the garden but the toilet as well.
At least we do, we are in the bush so not all Saffas do it

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