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Old 11-03-2009, 10:58 AM   #16
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You got it wrong. Check out Sedar findings for the latest reports. They just don't want to put them on their website in case it starts a stampede - OUT - like Doug Hunter.

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You got it wrong. Check out Sedar findings for the latest reports. They just don't want to put them on their website in case it starts a stampede - OUT - like Doug Hunter.
I am neither a financial analyst nor a business analyst but I did not see anything that looked real promising in those reports.
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The point I'm making is that the latest reports on SEDAR are enough to frighten off any investor. No money in the bank, no product, managed to survive these past years only by dilution, sky high debts and the "bold new face of energy" - the board - changes a lot. Promised investments don't happen, competitors win contracts with a value attached, but Disenco enters into memorandums of understanding with no value. The company is a dog.
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The point I'm making is that the latest reports on SEDAR are enough to frighten off any investor. No money in the bank, no product, managed to survive these past years only by dilution, sky high debts and the "bold new face of energy" - the board - changes a lot. Promised investments don't happen, competitors win contracts with a value attached, but Disenco enters into memorandums of understanding with no value. The company is a dog.
I agree. I was just being subtle.

Yes, the $0 listed as cash in the bank said a lot.

If you read the notices of change (or whatever they were called), there have been several high level people jumping ship. This looks a lot like what I was suggesting; basically a legal pyramid scheme and the last one out gets the shaft.
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There's probably a lot of investors out there who feel they've been shafted already. I thought the dot con era was over.
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Yoyizit,

Check out the blog on Disenco's web (9 June 09). It says "Disenco is delighted to be involved in the Thealby Grange Development. It is an exquisite courtyard development of three unique barns one of which houses a Disenco HomePowerPlant."

It then goes on to quote the owner, Mr. McKinley, as saying "the Disenco HomePowerPlant (HPP) in contrast to other green heat solutions represented a moderate implementation, cost combined, with an easy to understand return of investment calculation. With constant heating required for 9 months of the year means that our electricity bill will be fantastically reduced. Moderate cost, with transparent and rapid payback has made the Disenco mCHP our system of choice."

Now it seems to me that this is the first installation of Disenco's famous HPP worldwide. So I wonder if Lucy over at Disenco could upload an image of the installation to this board and inform us of the selling price to the owner for him to be able to calculate the easy return on investment.

That way you'll get answers to your questions and we won't just be looking at an artist's drawing.
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Check out the blog on Disenco's web (9 June 09). It says "Disenco is delighted to be involved in the Thealby Grange Development. It is an exquisite courtyard development of three unique barns one of which houses a Disenco HomePowerPlant."

It then goes on to quote the owner, Mr. McKinley, as saying "the Disenco HomePowerPlant (HPP) in contrast to other green heat solutions represented a moderate implementation, cost combined, with an easy to understand return of investment calculation. With constant heating required for 9 months of the year means that our electricity bill will be fantastically reduced. Moderate cost, with transparent and rapid payback has made the Disenco mCHP our system of choice."

Now it seems to me that this is the first installation of Disenco's famous HPP worldwide. So I wonder if Lucy over at Disenco could upload an image of the installation to this board and inform us of the selling price to the owner for him to be able to calculate the easy return on investment.

That way you'll get answers to your questions and we won't just be looking at an artist's drawing.
Let them send me a sworn statement as to performance over the signature of a company principal. Even politicians are afraid of going under oath.
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And that it's been installed
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Nap,

Disenco's "forgotten reports" are now on their website following our exchange. Now, for their Q3 management discussion report, the bold new face of energy directors tell us -

"Initial product is expected to be available for field trials with its utility company partners by Q3 2010, providing estimated funding requirements are met."

That's another year gone then, at least – if they're still around

"In April 2009 the Company signed an agreement with Qwatee AG Zug of Switzerland for Qwatee to fund the company initially USD$ 5 million at CDN $0.15 per share by May 2 2009 and a further USD $5 million by May 3. To the date hereof Qwatee has not provided any funds."

So much for the agreement. But the second tranche mentioned on Disenco's website (news release 15 May) gives the second "investment" as USD $10 million not $5 million at 25 cents per share. Now why would Disenco say one thing via SEDAR to investors and then publish a different agreement some months later? The company continues to mislead the market and should be investigated.
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Nap,

Disenco's "forgotten reports" are now on their website following our exchange. Now, for their Q3 management discussion report, the bold new face of energy directors tell us -

"Initial product is expected to be available for field trials with its utility company partners by Q3 2010, providing estimated funding requirements are met."

That's another year gone then, at least if they're still around

"In April 2009 the Company signed an agreement with Qwatee AG Zug of Switzerland for Qwatee to fund the company initially USD$ 5 million at CDN $0.15 per share by May 2 2009 and a further USD $5 million by May 3. To the date hereof Qwatee has not provided any funds."

So much for the agreement. But the second tranche mentioned on Disenco's website (news release 15 May) gives the second "investment" as USD $10 million not $5 million at 25 cents per share. Now why would Disenco say one thing via SEDAR to investors and then publish a different agreement some months later? The company continues to mislead the market and should be investigated.
HHmmmm, initial field trials are expected FOR field trials by Q3 of 2010 yet they have units installed somewhere or intended to be installed (which would mean they have or near to have a marketable unit as we speak) yet they have yet to perform field trials because they don't have the units yet.

sure would like to see lucy come back and explain all this conflicting info.
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That's the Irish market gone then for Disenco - http://www.cerespower.com/store/file...FINAL.docx.pdf. No conflicting info at Ceres.
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This looks similar to another new technology that I ran across a while ago: http://www.coolenergyinc.com/index.html
I'm excited about these new technologies, but, like ethanol, I'm a bit skeptical and I'm not so sure they wil live up to their claims. I sure hope that they work, but.... I'll stick to the basics for now: insulate, weatherize, low flow, solar heat, turn it off.
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http://www.baxi.co.uk/1346.htm

No fluff Lucy, just factual advice. Nice
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wow! it looks like disenco is running a bit late to catch the boat.

So, I wonder what disenco has to offer that baxi doesn't.
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It seems that way. They've no product - field trials might begin in Q3 10 if they raise the money to build a handful of units - and their competitors (Baxi, Honda, Ceres) have already received orders and have started installations. So I guess they have nothing to offer and with no money in the bank and a dog of a shareprice, they're unlikely to raise the money to finish development.

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