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#2 ·
I've been aware of the product for quite a while, but there is no real information about it, or even an idea of when it will be available.

If the product can do what they claim it can do, it will be a fantastic product that could really make an improvement in carbon emissions. It will also be a useful product for off-grid use. My peak electricity usage is easily below its maximum output, despite me using an electric car, so it is the sort of product that would suit me well.
 
#4 ·
That sounds like an interesting product. I've always wondered how well a sterling engine would work to produce power.

I'd be curious to see how this appliance looks like, as well. Sterling engine setups tend to be very big and bulky (mostly the external heat source, which from what I've seen is usually a mirror array).
 
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When will Disenco’s m-CHP unit be ready for purchase?
The first commercialised HomePowerPlants are scheduled to be available in the Q3 2009.
Are they available now? Q3 2009 is over.

I have not read all of the website but I have yet to see what fuel this gizmo uses.

Do you have any fuel consumption per kW figures?
 
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dang, when it comes to financing, you haven't even released a quarterly report since your 2008 annual report. That alone sounds like so many companies that are gung-ho in the beginning and as their ideas don't pan out, they simply begin to flounder and simply eat up the investment money and then the company dies. From your annual report, I see you have had at least $10 million USD committed in fiscal 2009 plus an additional amount of at least 2 million of some form of currency. The symbol does not translate to anything I am aware of but is similar to a Euro symbol. If so, that would translate into an additional nearly $3 million USD with that same investor group with a soft commitment of an additional 9 million Euro(?) by the end of 2010.

Plus there is a 3rd investor that has made a investment goal of 9 million Euro(?) while obviously not seriously in a position to turn that into hard funds at this time.


So, your website is undependable and incomplete and full of fluff?


Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the idea that there are people and companies are working on alternate means to produce energy but so often, we see companies that come out, make a huge deal about their product and many people invest in the product at the research level.

As a means to continue to seek investment funds, we get what we see here;

a website that makes everything sound all rosy yet some of the most basic and important info is either misleading or missing.



If all I see is a pretty picture, it only keeps me interested for a limited time. After that, I need substance. Based on your FAQ's, you provide almost nothing of substance, merely innuendo.

Darn Lucy, you have not even fully answered the questions I asked here. How do you propose keeping people interested if you cannot even allude to a projected cost to operate. Such a simple and basic question yet is has simply been ignored.

Best of luck to you and your company but based on what I see, I don't expect to see your product at my local HVAC distributor anytime soon.
 
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dang, when it comes to financing, you haven't even released a quarterly report since your 2008 annual report. That alone sounds like so many companies that are gung-ho in the beginning and as their ideas don't pan out, they simply begin to flounder and simply eat up the investment money and then the company dies. From your annual report, I see you have had at least $10 million USD committed in fiscal 2009 plus an additional amount of at least 2 million of some form of currency. The symbol does not translate to anything I am aware of but is similar to a Euro symbol. If so, that would translate into an additional nearly $3 million USD with that same investor group with a soft commitment of an additional 9 million Euro(?) by the end of 2010.

Plus there is a 3rd investor that has made a investment goal of 9 million Euro(?) while obviously not seriously in a position to turn that into hard funds at this time.


So, your website is undependable and incomplete and full of fluff?


Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the idea that there are people and companies are working on alternate means to produce energy but so often, we see companies that come out, make a huge deal about their product and many people invest in the product at the research level.

As a means to continue to seek investment funds, we get what we see here;

a website that makes everything sound all rosy yet some of the most basic and important info is either misleading or missing.



If all I see is a pretty picture, it only keeps me interested for a limited time. After that, I need substance. Based on your FAQ's, you provide almost nothing of substance, merely innuendo.

Darn Lucy, you have not even fully answered the questions I asked here. How do you propose keeping people interested if you cannot even allude to a projected cost to operate. Such a simple and basic question yet is has simply been ignored.

Best of luck to you and your company but based on what I see, I don't expect to see your product at my local HVAC distributor anytime soon.
You tell em! I'm sure this product is years away from the market
 
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I've never seen any fueled small (house or small community sized) generator that can produce electricity cheaper or cleaner than the grid source. Matters of scale favor big facilities both for lowest cost and lowest emissions. I suspect that might be the delay.
 
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Our payback times would be completly dependant on the premises that the appliance was installed in.

I am sorry but I am not able to publish our MTBF rates at this time.
If you would like to talk about the HPP in more depth, then please contact the office and we will arrange for a copy of our NDA to be sent to you.

Nap, please can you contact Alan Dale here at Disenco. I am unable to find any contact details for you. The office number is + 44 114 261 5180
 
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Our payback times would be completly dependant on the premises that the appliance was installed in.
No problem.
What is the longest reasonable payback, the shortest, and the average?

What is the expected lifespan of the costliest assembly within your product?

How tolerant is this unit regarding ductwork variations and variations in the diligence of installers?
 
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Nap,

The point I'm making is that the latest reports on SEDAR are enough to frighten off any investor. No money in the bank, no product, managed to survive these past years only by dilution, sky high debts and the "bold new face of energy" - the board - changes a lot. Promised investments don't happen, competitors win contracts with a value attached, but Disenco enters into memorandums of understanding with no value. The company is a dog.
 
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I agree. I was just being subtle.

Yes, the $0 listed as cash in the bank said a lot.

If you read the notices of change (or whatever they were called), there have been several high level people jumping ship. This looks a lot like what I was suggesting; basically a legal pyramid scheme and the last one out gets the shaft.
 
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Yoyizit,

Check out the blog on Disenco's web (9 June 09). It says "Disenco is delighted to be involved in the Thealby Grange Development. It is an exquisite courtyard development of three unique barns one of which houses a Disenco HomePowerPlant."

It then goes on to quote the owner, Mr. McKinley, as saying "the Disenco HomePowerPlant (HPP) in contrast to other green heat solutions represented a moderate implementation, cost combined, with an easy to understand return of investment calculation. With constant heating required for 9 months of the year means that our electricity bill will be fantastically reduced. Moderate cost, with transparent and rapid payback has made the Disenco mCHP our system of choice."

Now it seems to me that this is the first installation of Disenco's famous HPP worldwide. So I wonder if Lucy over at Disenco could upload an image of the installation to this board and inform us of the selling price to the owner for him to be able to calculate the easy return on investment.

That way you'll get answers to your questions and we won't just be looking at an artist's drawing.
 
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Nap,

Disenco's "forgotten reports" are now on their website following our exchange. Now, for their Q3 management discussion report, the bold new face of energy directors tell us -

"Initial product is expected to be available for field trials with its utility company partners by Q3 2010, providing estimated funding requirements are met."

That's another year gone then, at least – if they're still around

"In April 2009 the Company signed an agreement with Qwatee AG Zug of Switzerland for Qwatee to fund the company initially USD$ 5 million at CDN $0.15 per share by May 2 2009 and a further USD $5 million by May 3. To the date hereof Qwatee has not provided any funds."

So much for the agreement. But the second tranche mentioned on Disenco's website (news release 15 May) gives the second "investment" as USD $10 million not $5 million at 25 cents per share. Now why would Disenco say one thing via SEDAR to investors and then publish a different agreement some months later? The company continues to mislead the market and should be investigated.
 
#25 ·
HHmmmm, initial field trials are expected FOR field trials by Q3 of 2010 yet they have units installed somewhere or intended to be installed (which would mean they have or near to have a marketable unit as we speak) yet they have yet to perform field trials because they don't have the units yet.

sure would like to see lucy come back and explain all this conflicting info.
 
#30 ·
Nap,

It seems that way. They've no product - field trials might begin in Q3 10 if they raise the money to build a handful of units - and their competitors (Baxi, Honda, Ceres) have already received orders and have started installations. So I guess they have nothing to offer and with no money in the bank and a dog of a shareprice, they're unlikely to raise the money to finish development.
 
#31 ·
Oh Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do.


just as an explanation for Lucy, if she ever decides to return: that is a line from an old television show where the husband was Cuban and spoke with a heavy accent. When his wife, Lucy, did something dumb (which was pretty much every episode), Ricky (the husband) would say, "Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do" and everybody would know that was a queue to laugh.
 
#35 ·
LOL, would the money reason be that you have too much money and need to get rid of it?

Seriously, there are very few locations where solar PV panels have a payback period at all. They are generally done for "green" reasons recognizing that the power will cost more than grid power or they are done in remote areas requiring low power where grid power is not economically available.

If you are in it to save money then do your calculations very carefully.
 
#36 ·
Solar panels at present have a 30% "rebate" from the Government
In many cases there are additional rebates from State & sellers may offer deals with today economy
In most cases you are far better off trying to reduce your power use before buying Solar
"Payback" /break even depends upon your cost for electricity
One person in New York will have a payback period of 2.5 years - he installed the system himself
He "saves" about $110 a month - old electric bill was averaged at $260 a month
Our electric prices dropped, but I will be looking into adding solar once other construction costs on the house are paid off
 
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