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Old 03-13-2005, 11:05 PM   #16
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Two brothers, where is the condesation appraering?

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Old 04-24-2005, 07:26 AM   #17
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I seen on one homeimprovement show the guy installed new gutters and took it up a notch by having a heating unit installed in them that automatically comes on when temperate is below freezing to keep water moving in gutters during winter time.
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Old 02-07-2007, 05:43 PM   #18
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I had paid a roofer to put a new roof on my house earlier this summer and now I am having leaking in my ceiling, apparently from an ice damn. I have called the roofer, but he is saying that this is normal. Do I have a leg to stand on to get him to fix the damage to my ceiling from the Ice Damn on my 7 month old roof.
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Old 02-07-2007, 07:04 PM   #19
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A roof that leaks is NOT normal. Most likely the ice build up is occuring in a valley or near the bottom of the roof where the gutter may be full of ice. When it melts, it runs up underneath. I'm not sure as to whether you can get this guy to fix it. Ice build up is normal, but we always put down an extra ice and water barrier in these problem areas. My guess is that he didn't. Have you asked him to repair this? Most guys who want to run a good business would take a look at it for you.
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Old 02-07-2007, 09:16 PM   #20
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yeah i have asked him to fix it repeatedly and he has not called me back. eventually an adjuster came and said that this is text book ice damn and my claim to his insurance company was denied. I mean this is so bad that water is coming in through my ceiling, running down my walls, coming out of my electric plugs. I mean this is just a mess and I have been trying to call this guy for approximately 3 months and he has done nothing. So I don't really know what to do now other than take him to court and report him to the better business bureau
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:18 PM   #21
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That's a tough one. I would consider to seek out advice. Talking to a lawyer may not be a bad idea. If you can prove that his job was not done appropriately then I couldn't see why you wouldn't get the benefit. Regardless of his decision to give you a break, report him. Can you find exactly where the roof is coming from? Or can you access the leak?

Make sure you keep all documents and invoices that you get from having to fix damage. These would be reimbursements if you decide to file legally.

Please let us know how things go, and like I said, there might be someone on this forum that knows how to handel this.
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Old 02-08-2007, 09:20 AM   #22
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He probably skipped out on the ice and water barrier to save a few bucks.

Not to rub salt into the wound, but was this the lowest price yuo could find?

If it were my roof, it would have had ice barrier...for a leak proof ice dam situation, for a properly executed contract, and for my reputation. Ice barriers are cheap insurance, IMO.

I see this a lot in my area when the "contractor" (and I use tis term loosely) is only interested in one thing...the quick buck. It takes a whole bunch of fortitude to build a long lasting company with a good reputation, and lack of funding (lowest price) is the hardest obstacle to overcome in a market full of hacks that do not care about their own reputation, much less the customer.

The first thing I would do is pay someone to fix it before the interior damage gets worse. Document everything, and get pictures (non-digital is best). Send a letter via US mail certified mail with return receipt as proof that you contacted him to fix the damages.

Get it fixed now. What do the terms of his written warranty state?
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Thanks guys. i will keep moving forward and definitely know what happens. And the warranty states that he will cover damages that are non-phenomenons (i.e. tornadoe, hail, etc.). Nothing about snow and ice. Thanks for the advice and I appreciate the guidance. If there is anything else I can do or you have any ideas feel free to let me know
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Many many homes have ice problems in the winter time. From ice damning to condensation, you can really go nuts! How can you prevent these problems from occurring? The answer is protection, ventilation and insulation.

Many of the homes today have become "tighter". This means they don't breathe as well. Windows and doors seal better than in the past. Homes are much more energy efficient, and this is all well and good; however if your attic doesn't have the proper ventilation and insulation to handle the energy efficiency your going to have problems.

The average human family can put a gallon or more of moisture into the air. This comes from our own breath and perspiration. The moisture build up also happens from cooking and bathing. All this moisture can build in the attic if you don't have the proper ventilation. The necessary ventilation depends heavily on the style of home you have. If the moisture can't escape it will condense. In the winter it will freeze, and at the first thaw it will melt. The melted condensation will make it appear as if your roof is leaking. This can damage insulation, framing, walls, ceilings, electrical fixtures or even cause mold issues.

Condensation is only one half of the problem. Ice damns can be a terrible cancer to your home. There are many ways to prevent Ice damns from occurring. One way is a premium roofing underlayment, but this can only be installed if removing the shingles. If you have had ice problems in the past and are replacing your roof, insist on some kind of ice shield.

The other cures, to ice damning, is ventilation and insulation. Your attic space shouldn't be much warmer than the outside, no matter what time of the year! You should insulate the attic floor as well as possible. This will prevent the hot air from escaping into the attic. In addition to the insulation, you must have proper ventilation. The ventilation will allow any hot air to escape.

Why do you want the hot air to escape? Why don't you want your attic to be warm? If the underside of your roof is warm, and the outside of the roof has snow and ice sitting on top of it, the warmth will cause the snow to melt but it will have nowhere to go. The trapped water then freezes at night and PUSH up under the shingles. When the ice pushes under the shingles, if there is no ice shield or protection it will make its way inside your home and cause a nasty leak. This leak can and will cause the same problems as a condensation thaw.

For more information on ice shields you may go to www.graceconstruction.com or www.gaf.com For more information on insulation and ventilation you may go to www.airvent.com or www.rollvent.com Please never go on a snowy or ice roof, as it is VERY easy to slip and fall!
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:19 AM   #25
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I have a new house with 45 degree roof pitch. However, I've noticed that my gutters do not have much of a pitch so in the winter all the gutters are solid ice. My thought is to just remove the gutters to eliminate the collection of snow and ice on the edge of the roof.

Do any of you see problems with doint this? I would assume the only purpose for the gutter is not to wash away the soil around the house. I'm willing to deal with that more that ice damning.

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Frozen gutters are NOT a result of ice damming. Ice dams occur on the roof shingles, where the unheated soffit overhang has NO heat transfer from the interior portions of the heated home and that snow and ice does not melt except from the temperatures outside and the direct sun.

The damming occurs at the juncture where the exterior wall is located and goes past that point to the heated portion of the home.

As Grumpy stated in his original helpful advise post, the problem exists from insufficient insulation, which alows excessive heat loss through it and into the attic.

Withour a PROPERLY BALANCED Frsh Air Intake Ventilation System and also a proper Hot Air Exhaust System, which will also remove built up humidity before it turns into condensation, then the snow wil begin to melt over the heated portions of the home.

When enough water accumulates at the unmelted snow and ice dam at the soffit overhang, it pools up and when it gets deep enough, it goes under the tabs of the courses of shingles, finding the nail locations and drips through them.

In your case, do you have a basement? If so, by removing the gutters, you may be looking at flooding problems through the foundation.

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[my claim to his insurance company was denied.

Contact your state insurance beurea for help on the insurance. Did the contractor have a bond?

Does your state/community have an agency that oversees contractors? Are contractors required to be licensed/registered? Have you contacted the local inspecion agency to ask about inspections that may have been required?

And the big question, was this the cheapest contractor you could find?
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[my claim to his insurance company was denied.

Contact your state insurance beurea for help on the insurance. Did the contractor have a bond?

Does your state/community have an agency that oversees contractors? Are contractors required to be licensed/registered? Have you contacted the local inspecion agency to ask about inspections that may have been required?

And the big question, was this the cheapest contractor you could find?
FYI: The post you're responding to is over 1 year old....

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