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Old 01-31-2012, 05:52 PM   #91
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Ok, just wondering how they stuffed R39 in there and chutes for ventilation. Let alone the can lights in there too.
I'm no expert in energy codes, so I can't comment, but I'd bet that reflective sheathing is part of the package that gets them within code...

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Old 01-31-2012, 07:08 PM   #92
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Where did the water come from?
They did sheetrock (and some trim, base before the doors? That's odd.) before the house was weather-tight?
These people are full of surprises.
Are there any water marks on the underside of the roof sheeting, esp. where the roof looks bad?
The water leaked in through a couple of small sections of the roof. We had 9 inches of rain in 36 hours. It poured into the house. On both side of the "main" dormer on the second floor, they were still working on the brick. They hadn't yet finished that area of brick and it also wasn't flashed. The flashing job was also brutal by the way - pics below. Haven't pointed that out yet...

We FORCED them to halt construction for roughly 3 weeks as the house dried out. We also FORCED them to tear off all the sheetrock and throw away all the insulation. We also FORCED them to let us bring in a mold remediation expert to do extensive testing and remediation.

Yes - they were well along with interior work before the outside was completely weather-tight. Yes - I realize how stupid this is on their part. I was extremely vocal about this issue when it happened...
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:09 PM   #93
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That is a nasty tape job on the drywall
All of the drywall you see there is located in what is "unfinished" knee-wall storage areas.
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:12 PM   #94
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Ok, just wondering how they stuffed R39 in there and chutes for ventilation. Let alone the can lights in there too.
The code in my town is the 2006 International building code...

So I understand, are you saying that on my vaulted ceiling, they should have space in there so there can be some airflow?
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Ok, just wondering how they stuffed R39 in there and chutes for ventilation. Let alone the can lights in there too.
I looked, and I don't really have any good pics of the vaulted ceiling after the insulation went up, but before the sheetrock went on. This is about all I have. The vaulted ceiling is on the far right in this picture.

That insulation is definitely packed into that cavity - they definitely did not leave any room behind it for air flow... Are they supposed to as per code?
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I'm no expert in energy codes, so I can't comment, but I'd bet that reflective sheathing is part of the package that gets them within code...
Nope. That reflective sheathing does NOT have any impacts on insulation code as far as I know.
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Nope. That reflective sheathing does NOT have any impacts on insulation code as far as I know.
Maybe doesn't increase R-value, but has no other purpose than to increase energy efficiency.

If there is no baffle system installed in that vaulted ceiling, there is not much sense in having the ridge vent installed.

I'd love to do an archaeological study on your neighborhood.
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I'd love to do an archaeological study on your neighborhood.
I was thinking the same thing.,I bet that is where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

Seriously though why ?
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I was thinking the same thing.,I bet that is where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

Seriously though why ?
Just a figure of speech. I'd like to completely disect that house and examine "the bones".

I'm dying to see what that sheathing looks like under those shingles.
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Just a figure of speech. I'd like to completely disect that house and examine "the bones".

I'm dying to see what that sheathing looks like under those shingles.

That would be a definate way of finding out.What would he have to lose?.,I would pull 4 or 5 right on the seam and have a look see..
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Just a figure of speech. I'd like to completely disect that house and examine "the bones".

I'm dying to see what that sheathing looks like under those shingles.
We will definitely get there soon. Here is the best I can do for now:
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I personally reached out to Norbord today. They are the company that makes the roof decking that was used. I spoke with someone, and also received the email reply below.

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Thank you for the e-mail and for sending the photos. To address your question after reading your e-mail and looking at the photos you provided here are some comments.

There are several things that can cause edge swell in structural sheathing:

- attic spaces that are not properly ventilated

- dryer,bathroom fans/vents etc are vented into the attic space

- water has penetrated the roofing material and getting to the sheathing (not likely in this case considering the roof area involved)

- improper installation of the sheathing

- the sheathing was wet prior to or just after installation and the roof was not allowed to completely dry and any required steps may not have been taken before the roofing material was installed, trapping the moisture between the roofing material and the sheathing

In your e-mail you say this condition existed when you moved into the house and that indicates the cause to be one or both of the last two points likely being the cause. This is not a structural or a radiant barrier issue but rather a construction issue.

I hope I have addressed your question.
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This might be nothing but how long was the framing exposed to the elements before it was decked?.,If so how long and how continous was the moisture and what type of moisture ?
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I would be beside myself if some hack took a Partner saw and cut into my mortar joints like that.
I have been following this thread closely and amazed at the poor workmanship,I feel sorry for you.
Building a home is suppose to be a great adventure,not misadventure.
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I would be beside myself if some hack took a Partner saw and cut into my mortar joints like that.
I have been following this thread closely and amazed at the poor workmanship,I feel sorry for you.
Building a home is suppose to be a great adventure,not misadventure.
Thanks for the sympathy. As frustrated and dejected as we are, it could always be worse. We are trying to make it through this horrendous experience as best we can.

We thought we were building our dream house... the one we would spend the next 20-30 years in. I am not sure we are going to make it to 30 weeks much less 30 years.

As corny as it may sound, my family is healthy, we have food on the table, and all joking aside we have a roof over our head (although its a shy one at that)...

I honestly think about those families that have young children with cancer, and how they have to make the trip each week to a place like St. Jude's. I am positive they would trade places with us in a heartbeat. So keeping it in perspective, we don't have it that bad.

All of that aside, that doesn't mean I think the builder should be able to walk away from this travesty scott-free. They should have to do whatever it takes to make it right.

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