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Old 05-15-2012, 07:04 AM   #16
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You can honestly say that you have witnessed a leaky roof from a 30 year veteran roofer?

Roofmaster, how do you come up with "left handed roofer"?


The job looks very neat to me. Not quite sure how a local roofer wouldn't know the minimum code in their area...
No, not A roof, dozens of them. To be honest, the 30 year veteran may not have personally installed the roof, but his company and his workers did.

I rarely see starter shingles installed correctly or closed cut valleys installed as they should be no matter how much experience the installing roofer has. I've seen a lot of stupid things done by roofers that should know better.

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For what it's worth, the inspector also said the hips should be overlapped from both directions. With a double layer of felt, there would be FOUR layers over every inch of the hip. I'll have two, because the inspector (and I) ok'd the second layer of felt going on over the existing felt, overlapping the hips. In the normal case, you could cut through three of them and still have some measure of vapor resistance.

Maybe I (and my roofer) are missing something about how the hip shingles should be installed. They're pretty meaty things, that seem to have an integral flap in each one that covers the nails. However, because they're installed over the shingles, there's a point at the bottom of each shingle that forms a step, especially when the raised part of these "HD" shingles ends at the hip. The result is that I can easily put my pinky under the hip shingle up to the hip joint.

Water wicks. Water splashes. Water evaporates, and water condenses. It may never leak like a sieve, but it clearly could allow enough moisture to start rotting rafters.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:38 PM   #18
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If it matters regarding inspectors ; I recently had one looked at where the inspector said there were issues. After showing why things were done the way they were and showing him the manual, he agreed.

Furthermore, even more recently - the manufacturer inspected it and said it passed.
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For what it's worth, the inspector also said the hips should be overlapped from both directions. With a double layer of felt, there would be FOUR layers over every inch of the hip. I'll have two, because the inspector (and I) ok'd the second layer of felt going on over the existing felt, overlapping the hips. In the normal case, you could cut through three of them and still have some measure of vapor resistance.

Maybe I (and my roofer) are missing something about how the hip shingles should be installed. They're pretty meaty things, that seem to have an integral flap in each one that covers the nails. However, because they're installed over the shingles, there's a point at the bottom of each shingle that forms a step, especially when the raised part of these "HD" shingles ends at the hip. The result is that I can easily put my pinky under the hip shingle up to the hip joint.

Water wicks. Water splashes. Water evaporates, and water condenses. It may never leak like a sieve, but it clearly could allow enough moisture to start rotting rafters.
Gravity and evaporation will take care of the water you are worried about at the hips.
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looks pretty damn good to me. as for the felt going over the hips and ridge, well think about it = you put down felt then drive 10,000 nails though it. in fact in some areas felt isnt required. its a back up in-case any shingles blow off. the only thing i didnt care for is the photo where the top of the valley metal at the ridge has a nail and you can see a gap, but your going to see that, just make sure he puts some tar on that spot before he install the ridge over it. more than likely wont leak but a little extra roofing cement on it before its covered will make sure. but again = it looks professional. remember that nothing is perfect. if he is licensed than you have nothing to worry about as for being covered.
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looks pretty damn good to me. as for the felt going over the hips and ridge, well think about it = you put down felt then drive 10,000 nails though it. in fact in some areas felt isnt required. its a back up in-case any shingles blow off. the only thing i didnt care for is the photo where the top of the valley metal at the ridge has a nail and you can see a gap, but your going to see that, just make sure he puts some tar on that spot before he install the ridge over it. more than likely wont leak but a little extra roofing cement on it before its covered will make sure. but again = it looks professional. remember that nothing is perfect. if he is licensed than you have nothing to worry about as for being covered.
Where is it not required ??? The International Residential Code as well as every manufacturer requires it.

I've seen way too many hip/ridge shingles crack and split as they age where they are bent. Underlayment will prevent leaks when that happens.
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We are still tearing off roofs that have no felt.And I must add have never leaked.In some areas of the U.S and by manufacture felt was not required on steep slopes exceeding 8/12.But I have no idea anymore because I felt everything regardless.

Does felt give a customer piece of mind ?,,Absolutely but so does an installation by manufacture recommendations for shingle installations.

I could roof a house with no felt and I can feel comfortable still giving a premium warranty for my workmanship.Someone else without technique could install the same roof and it will leak.Also without proper technique someone could use felt and moisture guard and still find a way to cause a leak.

Proper installation of the shingles is the most important part of the installation,,,not so much the materials used.After all felt was invented as a barrier between the shingles/materials and the decking because the sap from the decking caused premature roof failure and break down of the mat on the shingles.

In areas threatened by high velocity winds (Coastal,,mainly Florida) It is require to apply felt using button caps,,not staples or flat headed hand drive roofing nails.On hip roofs each course of felt has to cross the hip and lap onto the other roof plane.

I don't really see anything in the OP's photo's that make me question this installers abilities.And if that roof leaks its not because of the felt or the way its lapped.They leak because of shingle/Flashing etc. application error.
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We are still tearing off roofs that have no felt.And I must add have never leaked.In some areas of the U.S and by manufacture felt was not required on steep slopes exceeding 8/12.But I have no idea anymore because I felt everything regardless.

Does felt give a customer piece of mind ?,,Absolutely but so does an installation by manufacture recommendations for shingle installations.

I could roof a house with no felt and I can feel comfortable still giving a premium warranty for my workmanship.Someone else without technique could install the same roof and it will leak.Also without proper technique someone could use felt and moisture guard and still find a way to cause a leak.

Proper installation of the shingles is the most important part of the installation,,,not so much the materials used.After all felt was invented as a barrier between the shingles/materials and the decking because the sap from the decking caused premature roof failure and break down of the mat on the shingles.

In areas threatened by high velocity winds (Coastal,,mainly Florida) It is require to apply felt using button caps,,not staples or flat headed hand drive roofing nails.On hip roofs each course of felt has to cross the hip and lap onto the other roof plane.

I don't really see anything in the OP's photo's that make me question this installers abilities.And if that roof leaks its not because of the felt or the way its lapped.They leak because of shingle/Flashing etc. application error.
I've seen dozens of roofs with no underlayment or it was cut way back from the eave where it's needed most. Doesn't make it right. A roof can be three nailed and never blow off too, but that doesn't mean it won't under the right conditions.

I've seen way to many roofs where hip and ridge shingles have split, especially on steeper roofs. No felt over the hip or ridge means an immediate leak.

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