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Old 04-08-2007, 10:31 PM   #16
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Give'm hell dude. I made my builder put in brand new windows (43) that were double hung, lowe e, argon filled, made them clean up the mold in the basement ($25K), made them regrade my backyard 3 times with sod, and made them reskim my driveway twice. Builders today, who are making a killing anyway, are always trying to half @ss their way through building a house. I don't feel so bad that the site supervisor allowed me to sneak in and install structured wiring (2x Coax, Ethernet, etc.) everywhere too.

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No, the major offending sumped section shoud be fully replaced if there are structural issues.

My point about cutting the vertical joints is mainly from years of doing tear-offs and finding sheets butted too tightly and expansion has magnified the problem to only a slight degree. If the bowing is too significant, the sheet gets replaced, or at least 1/2 of the sheet.

I agree that possibly the shadowing causes me to see something that may not be there, but the hump that runs parallel to the entire length of the valley is not what I was commenting about. I noted an additional 4 foot vertical "ridging" which started at the base of the left side of the valley and proceeded up vertically 4 feet, or at least I thought that might be the case.

Look at the roof in various lighting conditions and see if there are any additional MAJOR ridging locations. As I stated before, it is very unusual for this ridging effect to telegraph through an architectural laminated shingle because the additional texture inherently conceals most visual discrepencies.

You seem to know what to look for, so use your own judgement as to the severity of the individual scenarios present.

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Give'm hell dude. I made my builder put in brand new windows (43) that were double hung, lowe e, argon filled, made them clean up the mold in the basement ($25K), made them regrade my backyard 3 times with sod, and made them reskim my driveway twice. Builders today, who are making a killing anyway, are always trying to half @ss their way through building a house. I don't feel so bad that the site supervisor allowed me to sneak in and install structured wiring (2x Coax, Ethernet, etc.) everywhere too.
Actually, most Builders don't make a 'killing'.... However, larger Builder/developers do...

Many of the larger builder/developers have a tendancy to 'scrimp' on various areas to increase their profit margins.

Most smaller builders are more concerned with delivering quality....
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I agree. My builder at the time probably built 100+ homes per year. Smaller builders are concerned with delivering quality, but they charge much more and take much more time to get their homes built.
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I agree. My builder at the time probably built 100+ homes per year. Smaller builders are concerned with delivering quality, but they charge much more and take much more time to get their homes built.
Do you suppose this has anything to do with quality tradespeople?

They cost more than the typical lowball sub that does new construction for the big builders.

Quality also takes more time than cookie cutters.
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handy Man, what kind of money are you talking? I have long wodered what kind of numbers the builders come back with when all is said and done.
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Do you mean profit margins? I would say each house at least 50-65% profit depending on what you can get away with.

Quality Build: 1/3 material, 1/3 labor, 1/3 potential profit (depending on overhead, marketing, etc.).

Quick Build: 1/6 material, 1/6 labor, 2/3 potential profit (depending on overhead, marketing, etc.).
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Do you mean profit margins? I would say each house at least 50-65% profit depending on what you can get away with.

Quality Build: 1/3 material, 1/3 labor, 1/3 potential profit (depending on overhead, marketing, etc.).

Quick Build: 1/6 material, 1/6 labor, 2/3 potential profit (depending on overhead, marketing, etc.).
Well, I know they make a decent living but 50% - 65% profit is simply not correct.

My builder does on average 50 homes per year and usually has between 15 and 30 homes in the ground at any one point. Their "profit" on my $324,000 contract is probably around $30,000 - $40,000 after he pays all the subs, suppliers, office overhead, salaries and commissions.

Sure, If I was the GC I could probably build my house to the same quality for around $250,000 if I didn't have a full time job and was on site every day for 6 months AND know all the proper subs, etc.

BTW, I talked to the builder and he will take a look at it today and fix it properly (replace where needed). He figures the roofer dropped a 90 lb felt roll or something like that in just the wrong place. He was pissed that the roofer didn't stop and call to get it repaired first. He will have a nice long talk with them about it. With the market being slow the subs are needing work so they can't afford to lose a builder contract because one of the workers f***ed up.

I'll be checking it later this week to see what they are doing about it.
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Well, I know they make a decent living but 50% - 65% profit is simply not correct.
My builder does on average 50 homes per year and usually has between 15 and 30 homes in the ground at any one point. Their "profit" on my $324,000 contract is probably around $30,000 - $40,000 after he pays all the subs, suppliers, office overhead, salaries and commissions.
Yes, those numbers are more realistic.

Then imagine also splitting what is left with a business partner.... Not a 'killing' at all.
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You forgot TAXES!

At those numbers, Ill stick to spray foam and polyurea sprayed in place membranes.

No subs-no hassles....not as much money, but I like it.
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You forgot TAXES!
Thanks for bringing the whole night down....
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Oh man, Im sorry.
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MJ,

You stated you felt the builder would stand behind the situation and follow through with a proper course of action.

Its just good to hear your position was justified. As far as the roofer or whoever making the error in judgement, mistakes do happen.

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I can see the h clips in the pictures. Those steel clips are junk. Especially in salt water/ coastal areas like Florida. They are very ineffective doing the job they are supposed to do, and a pain to work with.
We have been using the Grip H Clip for some time now and love them.
www.griphclip.com
They stay in place, are much stronger, and resistant to corrosion.
They also actually give you the 1/8" gap that your supposed to have.
You won't find them all over the ground around your build site.
Enjoy,

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