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Old 09-17-2010, 05:14 PM   #16
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All your comments have been very helpful and greatly appreciated, I now understand that my installer was/is incompetent. He portrayed himself as a professional but he is obviously far from that. This was the only trade in our entire 24 month house build that was not man enough to admit he does not know what he is doing.

I had also requested that he contact his insurance Co, but no one has conatcted me, which tells me he did not have insurance either. If he burnt the house down it would have been total loss - no insurance.

It appears I will have to take legal action to try and recover the $20,000 to remove it all and do it again.

I am now seeking opinions and input from material manufactures,,,,,,,, thanks guys .......Dennis Galloway (Port Alberni, BC Canada)

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Old 09-17-2010, 08:12 PM   #17
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i think you are going to have trouble getting that 20k from him......
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:46 PM   #18
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What did he do for 20 grand?How big is your deck?
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:55 PM   #19
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I think he means 20k to tear it all apart and do it properly.
Isn't that your neck of the woods JohnK?
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Old 09-18-2010, 01:13 AM   #20
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I think he means 20k to tear it all apart and do it properly.
Isn't that your neck of the woods JohnK?
He's in the same province,about 3 or 4 hrs away.I was gonna say,I wish I could get decks like that for 20k.Just a thought,what about coating the concrete or is that just putting perfume on a pig?
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Old 09-18-2010, 11:47 AM   #21
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20k would be to


1200sq/ft deck
Remove glass railing
Remove trim around doors (inside and out)
Remove belly band trim
Remove doors (membrane wrapped into door openings)
Bust up concrete
Disposal of concrete
Remove drip edge
Remove membrane (if we can remove it) or
Remove plywood decking

then start over

Supply and install new plywood deck
Supply and install new drip edge
Install new base & torch-on
Reinstall doors
Reinstall door trim (inside & out)
Supply & install belly band
Paint new trim
Touch up paint on
Form up edges for concrete pour
Supply & pour exposed aggregate concrete (pumper truck required)
Reinstall railing

we're on a island and everything is more expensive....thanks Guys
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Old 09-18-2010, 04:23 PM   #22
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Best of luck with ya. Try and let us know how it all turns out.
People tend to forget about us after the problem is solved.
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Old 09-18-2010, 06:38 PM   #23
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If there is no living space underneath I would consider a polyurea coating.Save you from tearing everthing up.Just a thought.
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Old 09-18-2010, 11:04 PM   #24
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I have limited experience with coatings,but don't see why one wouldn't work in your case.Here is an example http://www.soprema.ca/en/contenu/116/coatings.aspx
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Old 09-18-2010, 11:07 PM   #25
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The one I was looking at in the link provided was the Alsan flashing.Just don't want to have to see you spend unnecessary money 'if' this is an option.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:06 PM   #26
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Best of luck with ya. Try and let us know how it all turns out.
People tend to forget about us after the problem is solved.
i will come back and see you all
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Old 02-27-2011, 03:28 PM   #27
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Can't say anything more then OldNBroken and Johnk.
There simply is no excuse for the roof to be leaking other than the roofer installing it improperly.

You should how ever be thankful he did not attempt to properly torch the material because if he had he probably would have burnt your home down being that he did so with out a base sheet. The base sheet serves as more than just an underlayment, it's also a fire barrier to prevent direct exposure of the torches flame on the roof & wall sheathing.
I had this exact same situation but my roof doesn't leak....yet!

I hired a guy who said he did alot of torch down jobs. I noticed as he was working that he didn't have a base sheet down underneath. It was too late to stop him and i let him finish. now this installation didn't have a layer of concrete on top. Its been a summer and now this winter so far without any leaks but i do see the seams of the plywood sheathing telegraphing through the rubber. I would guess that this seem will crack open after a few more seasons.

So my question is.... rip it off now and start over with a pro roofer? wait till it leaks or have a Pro install another roof on top. (not sure if this solves anything.)

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Old 02-27-2011, 05:31 PM   #28
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I had this exact same situation but my roof doesn't leak....yet!

I hired a guy who said he did alot of torch down jobs. I noticed as he was working that he didn't have a base sheet down underneath. It was too late to stop him and i let him finish. now this installation didn't have a layer of concrete on top. Its been a summer and now this winter so far without any leaks but i do see the seams of the plywood sheathing telegraphing through the rubber. I would guess that this seem will crack open after a few more seasons.

So my question is.... rip it off now and start over with a pro roofer? wait till it leaks or have a Pro install another roof on top. (not sure if this solves anything.)

Thanks
Its never to late to stop someone from doing the wrong thing. You were paying him right? Just a deck, no living space under? Then I would leave it, and know it will need to be replaced. If there is living space under I would probably start getting quotes and talk to a few people. You dont want water ruining stuff under.
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Old 02-28-2011, 09:28 AM   #29
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We've done a few tear offs were the previous "roofer" installed torch down over the decking and it was horrible to tear out.

What we have always done is this four part system (first inspect decking of course).

Install ice and water shield
Install base sheet
Install drip edge
Install torch down

Have done several new build installs with granulated torch were a floating wood deck was built on top. The first one we did the inspector questioned it up and down thinking it was not an acceptable product installed under a deck. The product was GAF and the rep supplied all information needed to satisfy the inspector. The home owner was 18 and nothing against being young but say he gets a group of friends on the deck one night and they drop a burning cig or something and it falls through the cracks? Do you think a rubber roof would be good in this scenario? I think not!

Know a guy who sold Duralast roofs for a huge local roofing company for several years. He got a call back on a roof leak on a commercial job. Once he got on the roof he knew exactly what caused it. The employees after smoking their cig would flick the burning butt up on the roof. There were little burn holes all over the very expensive roof!

In some cases a granulated flat roof is the way to go.

On my personal house I installed smooth surface torch down on the master balcony under the slate tile. Didn't want to use granulated torch down on the recommendation of my tile guy and tile supply house. One and only time we put down smooth torch.

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Old 02-28-2011, 10:44 AM   #30
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Never have seen a cig burn and EPDM. I will try it when I go out and have a smoke here in 1/2 or so. Torch roofs are a thing of the past in our area, we have done plenty of EPDM roof under floating wood decks, concrete ect. With very good results. You cant factor in the accident factor. a drop smoke is a droped smoke doesnt matter if its on a deck or on a com. building and some one just flicked it. Should have moped it on.

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