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Old 04-23-2014, 05:33 PM   #16
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I recently received a quote to replace my roof for $7500. I live in Michigan. Seems a little high for this simple gable. My house is 1600 sq. ft. with a 4/12 pitch. I also received a quote to add 8" more cellulose insulation for $1900. That seems ridiculous. All from the same company, RAM Residential. A local company in business since 1986. The salesman also stated that materials are now costing just about as much as labor. Is this true? Is this too much?

We are also getting another estimate tomorrow from Mr. Roof. We have two layers that they have to tear off and they estimated replacing two sheets of sheathing. Also new can vents, stacks and boots, flashing, 6 ft. of ice and water shield. Also with Certainteed shingles.

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As mentioned in the beginning of this thread which I started, different regions will have different pricing and different building codes, etc.

$7,500 is a steal compared to what I would charge for that home. I'm just assuming that your roofing area is 1,500 square feet. My labour costs by itself without materials would be around $15,000 with two layers of shingles to tear off. But here in Canada everything costs more.

Anyone who isn't willing to replace the existing flashing, plumbing stacks and vents is a hack. Replacing these systems is best for both the consumer and contractor. The contractor gets to charge more for labour, the consumer gets a proper installation and everyone is happy.

Ice and water shield along the eaves and around roofing protrusions is mandatory depending on where you live, according to the building code.

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Old 04-23-2014, 05:35 PM   #17
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Before you decide which contractor to go with, regardless of the pricing be sure that they have the paperwork to prove that they're licensed, bonded, insured and accredited. The should provide a scope of work, a first aid attention on site at all times and an emergency plan. All of this information should be posted on site visible for all their staff as well as the homeowners to view at any time. Companies that look after their employees are companies with the best employees which provide the best quality of work.
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Their license and insurance was one of the first thing RAM told me about when we interviewed them. I'm hoping for the same professionalism from Mr. Roof when they come today for an interview and estimate. I don't care as much about price as much as the things you ^ mentioned.

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$15000 labor for a one day job?! Whoa, are you hiring?
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I rechecked the quote they gave us and it is $7000 instead. Definitely not paying them $1700 to add insulation when I can do it myself for $400, though. RAM also quoted us $900 to replace all the gutters and downspouts. I think that is a fair price. Heck I'll pay anyone to get up on my roof. I definitely don't like heights.

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Old 04-24-2014, 12:02 PM   #21
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Well....I did rip off 3 layers on my house back in 05.....replaced all the Fascia...and about 2 rows of the eaves.....not difficult....just pure grunt work....

Though I'm at a loss as to where you got the "drunks and drug addicts" from.....I was making a joke about 'me' drinking a beer between each few rows. I don't like heights....last thing I'm going to do is have any alcohol in my while climbing around on the roof.....about par to drinking and driving....
There is a huge difference between the different styles of roofing. I get all of your experience is in shingle work, but that doesn't cover "roofing" although some people would like to think that.

Because people already tend to think roofers are convicts,Hacks,drunks/druggies and rip off artist.

1. Because like I stated before people will spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a 300 sf kitchen, yet complain about a roof that costs 500 a square (fyi commercial is much more then that). All because we "charge to much for just a roofer"

2. Because back in the 60's 70's and 80's the only people that were roofers were drunks/druggies and convicts, thats the people you could hire. Remember we are the scum of the scum.

I get it was joke, it just degrades our industry even more. Makes it sound like any tom dick or harry can do it. When in fact even the simple shingle jobs can and are screwed up by home owners who didn't read the packaging or a book.
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$15000 labor for a one day job?! Whoa, are you hiring?
$15,000 includes tear off both layers of shingles and existing roof deck down to the roof truss, installation of new Huber Zip System 5/8-inch OSB, CertainTeed WeatherGuard HT ice and water shield around eaves and roof protrusions, GAF/Elk Deck Armour synthetic underlayment, CertainTeed Landmark Triple Laminate shingles and replacement of all flashings with 24-gauge S-Lock.

Everything explained above is my basic roof. My company only markets towards the very, very high end roofing market.

Regarding my staff, I do not employ labourers. I have minimum 1st year apprentices. All of my staff have minimum Occupational First Aid Level 3. All of my staff are accredited through the regional training centres of the CRCA. Everyone in my company undergoes bi-annual drug screening. My company is also COR certified.

Entry level wage in my company is $20.00/HR for a 1st year apprentice while my top wage for my foreman is $45.00/HR. Minimum wage in British Columbia is $10.25, Alberta is $9.95, Saskatchewan $10.20 and in Manitoba is $10.45. Legally I can not adjust my staff's wages regardless of the region I am working in.

By the way, even with my staff of six this would not be a one day job. If you can finish this off in one day I would love to do an accredited inspection on your roof after and point out all the issues you'll have further down the road.

I'm not promoting myself, I'm simply explaining the why up here that roof would cost $15,000 from me, not including materials.
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There is a huge difference between the different styles of roofing. I get all of your experience is in shingle work, but that doesn't cover "roofing" although some people would like to think that.

Because people already tend to think roofers are convicts,Hacks,drunks/druggies and rip off artist.

1. Because like I stated before people will spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a 300 sf kitchen, yet complain about a roof that costs 500 a square (fyi commercial is much more then that). All because we "charge to much for just a roofer"

2. Because back in the 60's 70's and 80's the only people that were roofers were drunks/druggies and convicts, thats the people you could hire. Remember we are the scum of the scum.

I get it was joke, it just degrades our industry even more. Makes it sound like any tom dick or harry can do it. When in fact even the simple shingle jobs can and are screwed up by home owners who didn't read the packaging or a book.
Brother, don't get too worked up. You and I both know that the homeowners who try to do a roof on their own for the most part will fail and call the cheapest contractor they can find to do the first repair. In the end, they will always come to contractors like us to finally rip everything off and redo it properly like it should've been done the first time around. And they why wonder it's so expensive. It really doesn't have to be, if they picked us in the first place.
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$15,000 includes tear off both layers of shingles and existing roof deck down to the roof truss, installation of new Huber Zip System 5/8-inch OSB
So explain to me as a homeowner why as part of a basic roof R&R it's necessary to remove my cdx or otherwise sound roof deck and replace it with zip.
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So explain to me as a homeowner why as part of a basic roof R&R it's necessary to remove my cdx or otherwise sound roof deck and replace it with zip.
Let me think???

(Time moves on ....?)

Well - after some thought - if it isn't rotten, damaged, or somehow -
deteriorated.....

I can't really think of a reason!?!

(For "fun"!?!)
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$15,000 includes tear off both layers of shingles and existing roof deck down to the roof truss, installation of new Huber Zip System 5/8-inch OSB, CertainTeed WeatherGuard HT ice and water shield around eaves and roof protrusions, GAF/Elk Deck Armour synthetic underlayment, CertainTeed Landmark Triple Laminate shingles and replacement of all flashings with 24-gauge S-Lock. Everything explained above is my basic roof. My company only markets towards the very, very high end roofing market. Regarding my staff, I do not employ labourers. I have minimum 1st year apprentices. All of my staff have minimum Occupational First Aid Level 3. All of my staff are accredited through the regional training centres of the CRCA. Everyone in my company undergoes bi-annual drug screening. My company is also COR certified. Entry level wage in my company is $20.00/HR for a 1st year apprentice while my top wage for my foreman is $45.00/HR. Minimum wage in British Columbia is $10.25, Alberta is $9.95, Saskatchewan $10.20 and in Manitoba is $10.45. Legally I can not adjust my staff's wages regardless of the region I am working in. By the way, even with my staff of six this would not be a one day job. If you can finish this off in one day I would love to do an accredited inspection on your roof after and point out all the issues you'll have further down the road. I'm not promoting myself, I'm simply explaining the why up here that roof would cost $15,000 from me, not including materials.
You said 15000 for labor. So I'm thinking about 12,500 american dollars.

Maybe you do different things but if six skilled guys can each get off four square and four on a day, then they aren't very skilled.

Also as a note, majority of our roofs are Certainteed 5-Star warranty jobs meaning the manufacturer inspects each job. We've never had one fail their inspection. I'm sure you know that as you seem to use CT products.

I also don't go overkill and replace perfectly good sheathing just for the fun of it.

From the products you mentioned I'm sure you build very good roofs with quality materials.
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So explain to me as a homeowner why as part of a basic roof R&R it's necessary to remove my cdx or otherwise sound roof deck and replace it with zip.
and then cover the zip with a layer of deck armor..huge overkill on anything, let alone a little house like that. If three guys cant do the top one day and the bottom the next and do a great job they aren't roofers.

Thats a nice little job, if you shop around you'll find someone that can do a good job in your budget. In my area that house would go in the $5-6000 range. You don't need fancy underlayments and all the extra stuff associated with it.
Other than a bit of i/w at the bottom, the expensive underlayments benefit the roofer more than the homeowner.
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In my location crew there are no super crews that knock out a roof in a day. We run small crews, 2-3 guys tops, roofs take about 2 days and longer depending on the size and the amount of wood replacement needed. I guess living where the weather is not as cooperative those large crews are required.

$7,500 is about were we are on a roof like that, not counting wood replacement.

We only do about 20% comp, mostly do stone coated steel and SS.
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We ended up going with Mr. Roof. We got a 20% discount because of a friend of a friend working there. We ended up paying $6900 for the new roof and gutters combined. They were done with the roof in less than 5 hours.

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