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Old 11-07-2011, 10:37 AM   #1
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Has anyone every heard of doing a replacement roof where the roof was rip down to the wood without installing drip edge flashing at eave, gable flashing or a starter course?

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Drip edge along the gutterline and the rakes are not necessary.IMO the use of drip edge creates a cleaner installation aesthetically .

Some use starters on the rakes as I do but some argue that its not needed.Do I know 100% for sure if the manufacture is o.k covering the product under warranty without it?,,,,I have no idea.I have always used starters on the gutterlines/rakelines and see no reason to debate the issue and will continue doing so.

Using starters on the rakes isn't what I would call a budget buster.

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Old 11-07-2011, 04:13 PM   #3
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For some reason I am having problems editing,,,,,I was going to add that having drip edge has many advantages over not having it.

In the typical midwest reroof or other areas for that matter its not required.In other areas with high velocity winds or other strict building code laws that are enforced then it is required.

Before starting a project or having a project started,,,,its good to contact your building department for a print out of their requirements that pertain to your project.
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the other things may be debatable but i would think eave starters would be a must
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Anything is possible.

Take a look at some of the roofs done on this forum (i.e. customer pictures) and you will be shocked.

+1 to Roofmaster's advice.
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I'm asking this because I am normally a DIY person but hired a contractor to re do a roof. It had 4 layers of rip down and on a steep slope. He hire the worst latin crew, they damaged sofets and gutters. They did not do any flashing work or install a starter course. The town is not helping at all and I am at the end of the rope with the guy.
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Have always used starters on the bottom and drip edge all the way around. However, starters up the rakes does provide a nice clean line visually when you are done.....no hint of jaggedness of the cut shingles.

Agree with the asthetics of the drip edge but it also prevents shingle colored rain water from dripping down the nice white facia trim. Saw this recently on a dog house that did not have drip edge.

Sounds like there are a number of issues with your install. Review your contract and seek legal counsel if necessary.
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the other things may be debatable but i would think eave starters would be a must
No eave starters would mean direct exposure to the roofing underlayment a long the eave were two shingles butt together all the way across the eave, so I agree that starters there are mandatory by any manufacturer.

Drip edge can be eliminated by properly running the facia aluminum up tight to the roof sheathing so it doe's what the drip would have done.

Starter strips on the rakes/gables are optional, they simply make for an easier install.
The facia aluminum run tightly to the roof sheathing there with and outward kick will also serve the same purpose as drip edge, just like on the eaves.

If you have exposed lumber on the roof, facia boards, walls, etc., then there is/will be issues eventually.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:46 AM   #9
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Every bundle wrapper/instruction set I have looked at require a starter course on the eve edge.

Contact the manufacturer of the shingles they installed and ask them if a starter course on the eve is mandatory, then tell them that your Contractor didn't install them on your house.
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I am a little disappointed with the mfg because they do not want to get involved and repeatedly direct me to their web site and bundle wrapper. I was instructed by the township who refuse to get on a ladder and inspect to contact the mfg and ask for their local rep/inspector to look and tell me if the shingles were in stalled correctly. Although I know they were not the mfg flat out stated they do not and will not inspect.

I asked my local building dept where I had to get the permit, what was code for the township and they said there was none for roof. I spoke to a state office and was told the code is set by the IRC / ICC building codes. R905.1 states the builder must follow mfg recommended instructions on the bundle and/or on the website. So basically the builder failed international, state, local and mfg instructions. Additionally this property is on a water front so he may have also missed the high wind requirements.

So as a consumer not only do you have to do your homework on which contractor but you better know what product and mfg is standing or not standing behinf their product.

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