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Old 05-27-2009, 05:50 PM   #31
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Roofing over old felt!!


I can see how you have 2000 posts in only a few months.....useless info....LOL

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Old 05-27-2009, 06:11 PM   #32
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It states on contract quote: Tear off old roof
install felt- did not do
install metal edge- did not do
install plumbling boots- dont know what this is
install six vents - he did this
install timberline 30yr roofing
install ridge cap- dont know if he did this
he did not install new valleys
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:46 PM   #33
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A roofer after he gave me a estimate, I hire to put on my roof...He took off old roof but said the felt is good and need not have to install new felt..He also said everything else like valleys ect ect is good and need not be install...He did install new vents..He but all the new material back in his truck and I gather he took it back and got his money back..My concerns is if the old felt is good was this ok to do I had timberline 30 year shingles put on roof....But I like to get good news that felt not that important and my roof will be good....

It was conversed about and you should be reimbursed for the felt and valleys.

You have nothing to worry about as long as he stands behind his work. If not, you shouldn't have hired him in the first place.

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It states on contract quote: Tear off old roof
install felt- did not do
install metal edge- did not do
install plumbling boots- dont know what this is
install six vents - he did this
install timberline 30yr roofing
install ridge cap- dont know if he did this
he did not install new valleys
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:58 AM   #35
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I have been following this thread and it makes me more pissed off every time I open it. Dave got it mostly right… If this were my mom I would first give her an earful for not getting me involved or doing some research about the project before hiring a contractor. Then I would contact the contractor and ask him to remove and discard the new shingles, old felt, valleys and inspect the roof deck. Replace any bad deck, replace the valleys, apply 25# felt, install new 30 year shingle, install drip edge, vent boots and roof vents as per the original agreement. Why use cheap felt under 30 year shingles? I would be happy to pay for the additional cost of upgrading the felt but nothing else except ice dam if the climate requires and any roof deck that needed replaced.

If the contractor did not do this I would spend all of my spare time chasing him until the job was done correctly or all of the money was returned to my mom or the guy successfully obtained a restraining order. Fliers in the neighborhoods where he normally works explaining what he did is extremely effective, you must be honest about what you say and be able to prove it, small claims court can work but often you win but never collect. Daily or hourly phone calls often result in some action. There are lots of things you can do when you are wronged. Many people that do these wrongs often count on you giving up easily. Preying on the weak or taking advantage of the ederly is just plain wrong.

In 2003 I bought a brand new (expensive at the time) 61” HDTV that stopped working the first month I had it. I called the manufacture and was told they would repair it. After two tries and me taking two mornings off work it was not working. I made a couple more calls and was told they needed parts that would take 8 to 10 weeks to get because it was last years model. I called the repair guy and asked if these parts would fix it for sure. He said it was a 50/50 shot. I made 2 more calls to the manufacture asking for a new TV and was told no way… I set up my recorder to record a phone call, called and asked for a supervisor, told her I would record the conversation and told my story. She said she could not do anything about it… I would have to try the 8 to 10 week away fix. I told her I want a new TV and would not accept anything else and that she would have to hang up on me because I would not hang up until I got an answer that satisfied me. She said she had all day and talking on the phone is her job, and I told her I have all day and all evening because I certainly could not spend the time watching TV. Almost 5 hours later and lots of banter she agreed to ship me a new TV. She asked me what I would have done if she hung up. I told her I would spend every Saturday passing fliers explaining what happened to me and playing the best parts of the recording to anyone that would listen. The next day a technician called to set up a delivery time convenient for me. He spent no time messing with the old one then brought in a brand new one and set everything up.

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Old 05-28-2009, 03:31 PM   #36
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Being that it was discussed, there would be nothing you can do, even though I agree with you.

Please stop worrying this poor lady.

Going after a business isn't a real great idea. Truth turns to lies real quick (slander).
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If it was my mom I would have done the same thing
I'd find out where he was working & contact any other customers. Contact the license board, Better business, as many agencies as you can find
There is NO excuse for not doing work as outlined in a contract
I bought some corals off a site that advertised & was a sponsor a Salt water forum. They were not what he advertised. I soon found other threads with people who had also not received what he advertised. By the time I was thru he shipped me what I had agreed to buy at his expense
But he took too long, no-one would buy from him

Word of mouth & the Internet are 2 ways to gain customers or lose them real quick

The OP should insist on being re-imbursed for the lost value of a roof that was not installed per contract, not just the cost of the felt. As far as I am concerned the installation should be removed & a replaced

Going after this person would make him think twice about trying to pull the same junk on someone else. Too many people just sit back & take it. With the contract in hand the law is on your side to recover losses
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The owner call me back after I call him with the concern about the felt..He told me that the reason he did not replace the felt was because my felt was better then the new felt they make today and that it is only a moisture barrier...and that the valley was also better then what they use today..His son got on the phone and he is taking over the business of his father who is 75 years old and that he will warrenty the roof for the next 30 years...which doubt I live that long...He said his father been putting on roofs since the early 70's and he trust what his father says..As for a refund of felt he said he under estimated the cost and that made up for the cost that I would of had to pay later...He was not the cheapest estimated contractor that I took, he was the middle one...I had 3 estimate on this roof...As I stated on my first comment to this post I very use to getting rip off but not much I really can do since my husband pass away 8 years ago..and I try going to court over my windows and siding but I just got to tire because of my age to keep going...The window company kept selling the company over and over to their friends and this was a big company who had references...so sometimes paying higher really does not mean you get better service...thank you all for giving me information on my roof....god bless you all....
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First of all I wonder where MJW buys his felt, there is cheap stuff out there, doesn't sound like someone I would hire.
Second of all it still has twice as many nail holes in it.
Third, it may not make that much differece on a new roof but at twenty years it's a different story.
Fourth, if this guy is going to cheat & not even give an older lady a break on materials, where else did he cheat.
MJW seems to be a good example of poor practices as well
My guys do what we say they will or we tear it off, PERIOD.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:21 AM   #40
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It's the basic underlayment to the roof
The roof was not installed properly
To fix it means removing the entire roof
Thus making the work done worthless

If a builder built a house & only put it on concrete blocks instead of a concrete foundation would you only seek a refund of the cost of the foundation?

No
I agree with Scuba.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:42 AM   #41
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I dont know you, but would never want you on a job after reading your post. That contractor took advantage of a old widow, HE SHOULD BE RUN OUT OF TOWN. If her homeowners insurance finds out there is no new felt they wont cover the roof or damage that comes from the roof. YOUR POST and THAT CONTRACTOR are what give Honest contractors a BAD NAME. Looks like you gave a oppion and would not back down even after you knew you were wrong.


A WISE MAN CHANGES HIS MIND, A FOOL NEVER DOES.
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Old 05-30-2009, 07:56 AM   #42
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Settle down fellas. I was just stating FACTS. I did noit say this was my procedure or is it a normal procedure. I simply stated that bandit55 has nothing to worry about.

15 lb felt is 15lb felt. It's garbage. We use synthetic Feltex underlayment. Shinglemate and Roofer's Select is the only other two that are worth putting on, IMO. We have a lifetime craftsmanship warranty for crying out loud! For not knowing someone, how can you judge them?

Texas115115, that will have no affect on her insurance policy.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:38 PM   #43
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She has plenty to worry about if a shingle comes loose
It's one thing to tell someone ahead of time you will not be replacing something & give them an option
It's quite another to have the owner find out about it after the fact

It could have an effect on her insurance if she ever nees to file a claim for roof damage & the insurance comnpany determines the roof was not installed properly/according to code/Mfg instructions

Get the 30 year warranty in writing from the installer
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:03 PM   #44
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It could have an effect on her insurance if she ever nees to file a claim for roof damage & the insurance comnpany determines the roof was not installed properly/according to code/Mfg instructions
Wrong! Stop making claims that you know nothing about. If you would allow PM's I would tell you in a PM.
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Not wrong & very possible

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