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Old 05-26-2009, 08:35 PM   #16
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Roofing over old felt!!


Yes, I use felt

Yes it works as a water barrier

Empty house 2 door sup has shinngles sagging
Guess whats protecting the inside & has been for months
THE FELT

I don't use OSB, never would on a roof

HACK job

NO felt as agreed to
NO metal edge as agreed to
NO new valleys - agreed to ??

Ed pretty much nailed it:

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Next, if he was supposed to remove and replace the felt paper, he should have.

Finally, it IS important, so that the underneath wood decking could have been inspected and repaired if necessary.

My concern is, that if this person would stoop so low to not conform to the most basic of tasks, what else did they omit from the work that you do not know about?

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Old 05-26-2009, 09:24 PM   #17
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Ed is right, but he never mentioned how new felt is necessary to keep the roof water proof.

Do a search in google about felt being a water barrier. Simply not true.

I do have to disagree with Ed a little about removing the paper to inspect the sheathing. This is not a standard for every roof. There can be too many factors involved.

How old is the roof?
Are the roofers educated enough to see where problem areas may be?
Is it vented properly?
What direction is the roof facing?
How old is the home?
What kind of sheathing is it?


All I am saying is that the roof should not be considered worthless, and a full refund is absurd.

15# paper will NOT protect any roof for months.

Why not use OSB? Do you have a good reason? Or is it just hear-say?

OSB is on 90% of the homes out there....especially on a roof. I can understand why not to use OSB on walls, but that is another topic.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:31 PM   #18
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He didn't follow procedure or the contract
End of story
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:48 PM   #19
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Procedure?

I didn't see a Contract.

In the initial comment, it appears that the procedure was acknowledged and talked about.

Refund for not using new paper and that's about it.

I feel my point was proven.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:50 PM   #20
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No point not proven
It was agreed that felt would be put down as the BASE of the roofing
You've proved nothing & only ignore what the poster stated
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Old 05-26-2009, 10:20 PM   #21
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Tell me what the felt does underneath the shingles.


There are many unknowns in this thread. Maybe the contractor was the lowest bid???? Sometimes corners are cut and you get what you pay for.....

Take it to court......

Was the labor performed? Yes, mostly
Is there a problem with the end result of the job? No
Where the shingles applied? yes
Is it to code? maybe....new valleys is not a code, even though everyone should replace them.
Was it inspected? ???????
Does the Contractor guarantee his work? ?????


I'm not saying what the Contractor did was correct, but there is no way you will get a full refund for not replacing the felt.

Next time get a referred Contractor. Trust that contractor, and not what you read on the net because some people are very misinformed and mislead to believe things that are not true.
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So you think if a painter doesn't put the primer on you just get a refund for the primer?

NOT
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Okay then, since it is so bad.

Let's say the Contractor goes broke and you are SOL. Are you really going to tear off brand new shingles...put down new paper, and reshingle it.....all costs directly to you?

I don't think so.
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Doesn't matter
Agreement was to do the work AS STATED
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Doesn't matter
Agreement was to do the work AS STATED
Where?

I think it was stated to the homeowner that the tarpaper was fine.
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Read AGAIN

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It states on contract quote: Tear off old roof
install felt- did not do
install metal edge- did not do
install plumbling boots- dont know what this is
install six vents - he did this
install timberline 30yr roofing
install ridge cap- dont know if he did this
he did not install new valleys

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It also says that the situation was talked about. Why not bring it up then, rather than spouting about it online?


Again Dave, no matter how you put it.....It does not mean a full refund is in order.
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It states on contract quote: Tear off old roof
install felt- did not do
install metal edge- did not do
install plumbling boots- dont know what this is
install six vents - he did this
install timberline 30yr roofing
install ridge cap- dont know if he did this
he did not install new valleys
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Insanity......repetition of a behavior, hoping for a different outcome..........
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It states on contract quote: Tear off old roof
install felt- did not do
install metal edge- did not do
install plumbling boots- dont know what this is
install six vents - he did this
install timberline 30yr roofing
install ridge cap- dont know if he did this
he did not install new valleys
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