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Old 10-07-2007, 10:29 AM   #16
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looking back at the picture, I can see why you think the valley is not straight. It is the angle of the picture and the tarp. It is actually pretty darn straight and the deck ply is pretty tight. I'll post up a picture later.

As for the gutter style, I posted up a pic in project showcase that shows some "interior details" of the house. It was originally a trailer and there was some "non-conventional" building techniques used throughout the house. The gutters are just one thing on the long list. They will be changed along with most things in the house. Thanks for the comments.

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Old 10-07-2007, 11:45 AM   #17
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Yes, please do post another picture of that valley looking in direct line to the valley angle going up.

It sure does not look like talented workmanship, using those two small scrap pieces on the bottom of the visible side.

Also, it surely does look like the valley takes a hook and travels straight up vertically on the next two vertical shingle slot lines just above the appearance of that hook affect.

I forgot that you had said you used a professional framer, and figured you had done that, so I was initially cutting some slack on the cuts.

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looking from the 2nd pic,you can see the bottom ply propped on the roof,not on the plane of the valley,and not on 2x6 runners as Ron rightly suggested they be on,it really doesn`t look professional the way it is done ,sorry
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Another thing, now that we are picking this workmanship apart, is that the ridge of the dormer roof does not look to be horizontal.

It may just be the angle of the camera when the photo was taken, but if you put a level on the top of the dormer ridge, you can find out for sure.

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ON THE OTHER POST ,YOU SAY YOU WERE INSTALLING THE ROOF RAFTERS,AND WERE CONCERNED W/ VALLEY FLASHING,NOW YOU SAY YOU HAD A QUALITY CO. DO IT SINCE IT CAN`T BE BOTH ,WHICH IS THE REAL STORY??
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Wow, tough crowd out there.... . My apologies as I was asking for some DIY tips, however I was not aware that a complete project profile was required, but here goes......

I am doing a complete remodel to our house. The condition of the house prior to the project start is a long story, but the key point is the scope of the project was very un-predictable from a framing standpoint. As mentioned we hired a framing crew that we knew well from work on our previous house as well as recommendations from construction pro's. For budget reasons, I am doing most of the work on the house.

I had a framing budget that I needed to hit and was able and willing to complete the framing that couldn't be completed within that budget. My preference was to have a good percentage of the framing completed by a good framer rather than have it all completed by someone not so good. For better or worse, I am quite confident in my ability and skills and I knew what part of the framing I could finish and what part I did not want to tackle. The framer's schedule was such that he had a 4-week window for our project which we figured was about right. We talked everyday and he gave me my punch list of things he needed, done, moved, or changed in order to keep his guys on track. When it came to the entry way, they cut the roof and framed the new dormer walls up, framed the dormer, and put the decking down, except for the last L-shaped piece on the dormer. A small part of this L-shaped piece forms the last length of the valley. The framer said they deck all dormers like that to allow that last piece of deck to be installed after the roof material is installed up to the dormer wall and the dormer wall is finished. Otherwise, the other trades (aka: me) are trying to work under the dormer eve up into that small corner under the end of the valley. Don't know if this is right, wrong, or typical, but I put my trust in the framer I hired.

In weeks 3 and 4 of the framing, the framer and I were always talking about the priority of things making sure they got done what I couldn't. At the completion of the 4 weeks, the lead framer and I spent time walking the job and noting the things that needed to be completed. We talked in detail about the last cut for the decking. I am now at the point of finishing the roof. I cut the last piece of the dormer decking that forms the dormer eve.

I had been reading this board for a while and it seemed you roofing guys were knowledgeable and helpful so I thought I would put the question out to the pro's on the proper sequence of finishing the roof, as I am going to be the one doing it. In my list of personal contacts in the construction biz, I do not know a roofer. Ed's early response was exactly what I looking for.

I'm not trying to mis-represent the work as mine or the framers, make stuff up, or hide any of my errors. I'm acutally just trying to finish my house. If I screw something up, I have no problem posting up and telling the internet world "hey, look what I did..." because I will probably learn something in the process.

Just to clarify issues in this post: the picture was taken from a 2nd story window that was above and behind the dormer, I believe that angle makes things look a bit different than they are. The original cut in the roof was a large rectagle so the framer did add a piece of decking on the main roof that fits to the dormer decking. A very small corner of this can be seen under the tarp in the picture. The dormer ridge being level: I haven't checked it, but I will since you mentioned it, Ed. This was done by our framer. I also have not yet checked all of his headers throughout the house for level, but maybe I should. The valley, looks straight to me when viewed sighting along the valley. FRAMER OR HOMEOWNER, WHICH ONE IS IT BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE BOTH.....hopefully I explained that above. Again, my apologies if I did not describe something accurately; that was not my intention.

As for the constructive advise provided, that is still greatly appreciated, as is going easy on me for the gutters (which have since been taken off the house).
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So, even if it out of level, I have seen that on several homes. If anybody asks, tell them that is the look you were going for.

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