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Old 03-30-2011, 06:24 PM   #16
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When you say "getting away with it" it seems to imply that somehow I am pushing the limits.The codes are made by forces greater than I.If I had my choice I would NOT recover.


IMHO a recover is a cheap way to go.I feel recovers are not profitable enough to account for the liability aspect of the technique.

I wish that stronger more enforcible codes were in place in the show me state.


It is a double edged sword though IMO.

I think it would be great ensuring that the homeowners receive the quality and workmanship value they are paying for BUT it allows city and state governments to twist and profit greatly and create some dip wad requirements that are associated with everything but workmanship issues.


So MJW it looks like we agree to disagree on several topics.I have a greater respect for your opinion and would hope you have the same.

I agree that more codes should be in place against recovers.I also agree that a minimum of 3" overlap in some areas and 4" in others is abiding by codes set in place by forces greater than ourselves.


You disagree that recovers should be installed and I disagree because as long as a market and procedure is in place in the area that I work in I will continue to add 1 more layer(2 limit)if the customer so chooses.


Money is tight and some people can only afford recovers.So rather than being a part of the problem of a family only being able to afford a recover and being denied by other contractors to do so,I will be the solution.


With my recovers all accessories are replaced that means All step flashings at walls,skylights and chimneys are replaced.Vents,pipe flashings and ridge vents are replaced as well.


Once again MJW I agree that recovers should be banned.When that happens I will make more profit on a job and not have to worry about anything pertaining to a recover.

But for now I enjoy being the solution rather than part of the problem to a family that is less fortunate or on a limited income.


I have also performed lots of tear offs for families that could not afford it at a recover price.The reason for that was the roof was in no shape to be recovered.I have done that multiple times too.

I am certain we agree on one thing though.You need to check your local building codes before commencing on anything construction.


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Old 03-30-2011, 08:15 PM   #17
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When you say "getting away with it" it seems to imply that somehow I am pushing the limits.The codes are made by forces greater than I.If I had my choice I would NOT recover.
What I meant was, I'm surprised it is allowed.





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You disagree that recovers should be installed and I disagree because as long as a market and procedure is in place in the area that I work in I will continue to add 1 more layer(2 limit)if the customer so chooses.


I agree with why you do it. Wasn't considering our opinions. Was strictly going by the codes. Missouri is included in the hail map in the IRC.





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As for the drip edge. I personally have been doing this for over 15 years in the field on every job. The only times I have seen drip edge overlapped that far it was aluminum and it really looked terrible. When a nice steel edging is applied and cut to fit on overlaps, it looks great for many years. Seen very few houses with drip edge overlapped more than 2 inches. Also have never had an inspector looks at that. I do believe we have some of the most stringent rules here along with the toughest inspectors. We have to take pictures of the sheathing nails on a reroof for crying out loud, haha.

Sorry to ruin the thread, but I think the OP got the idea.
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With out notching the hem on the underside metal it will look god awful. any metal we do is laped a min of 3" gutter apron, drip edge, gravel stop cap metal. Doesnt matter all gets laped 3+" and caulking inbetween. Its too bad that alot of "shinglers" slap stuff together and slap eachother on the azz when they knock it out in a day. Its called pride in workmanship, and it seems to be going to the way side in roofing.
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Well atleast everyone can take notice that we know what we are talking about and are very passionate about our trades.

Besides it does homeowners good to see what we have to deal with in the industry and that alot of contractors strive for perfection.

Some think that roofing or any construction trade is simple.Its simple when you throw it together, it takes more energy and thought process to continue doing things correctly.

Good evening to you MJW.
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Well atleast everyone can take notice that we know what we are talking about and are very passionate about our trades.

Besides it does homeowners good to see what we have to deal with in the industry and that alot of contractors strive for perfection.

Some think that roofing or any construction trade is simple.Its simple when you throw it together, it takes more energy and thought process to continue doing things correctly.

Good evening to you MJW.
If its worth doing its worth doing right. The thing is once you do it right enough times you become fast at it. Sure it takes more energy, but its all worth it in the end when you drive by a place youve worked on and can proudly say I roofed that. Im sure I drive my wife and kids crazy doing it, we cant go anywhere around town with out me doing that. I really like doing it when we drive by some of the grain elevators ive worked on. She hates it, "arent you scared when your up there?" well sure you have to have some respect for the building your on. If you dont you get all willy nilly and take too many risks, and thats when things happen, and in our field when things happen they generally are bad, alot of times very bad. not a good feeling seeing someone fall off a roof, even 10, 15 feet doesnt matter your more then likley going to be hurt.
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You, the homeowner should see and hear some of the rooftop arguements. We're most often arguing semantics, when we are actually doing what needs to be done. We do get passionate at times, and I think the arguing among roofers can be compared to arguments between married couples.

Don't let if put you off. Be assured we all know what we are doing. In any given crew, when there is a question, one or more will step forward to ensure the work is done correctly.

(Take that advice with a grain of salt too, because there are hacks out there.)
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You, the homeowner should see and hear some of the rooftop arguements. We're most often arguing semantics, when we are actually doing what needs to be done. We do get passionate at times, and I think the arguing among roofers can be compared to arguments between married couples.

Don't let if put you off. Be assured we all know what we are doing. In any given crew, when there is a question, one or more will step forward to ensure the work is done correctly.

(Take that advice with a grain of salt too, because there are hacks out there.)

Some times hacks are hard to tell from people who give a hoot about thier work. Some tail tale signs. Dancing on the roof top, Excesive horse play, Bets on who can lay more sq hour/day, If there truck has 20 cases of "black jack" in it, They spend more time talking about working then working, they are on the phone a lot and for no reason, not cleaning up after them selfs. The list goes on...
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with the ice and water shield i just put it on the eaves? or do i run it up the gables also?
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with the ice and water shield i just put it on the eaves? or do i run it up the gables also?
Generally rake line moisture guard (I&W) is used in heavy snow and ice regions.It is also used by homeowners who want to have a piece of mind knowing extra steps and expense was incurred to eliminate potential threats.

Besides its your house and if you live in a heavy snow and ice area,,,I would highly recommend to use it.If your in other regions that have far less amounts of winter precip then its your choice.

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