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Old 12-16-2010, 10:32 AM   #16
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some laid down but some didn't on the week of 60-70 degree weather

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Old 12-16-2010, 10:41 AM   #17
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I don't think those are going to lay down. It's bad. If I squint just a little it looks like a 50 year old cedar shake roof. It might be time to accept that it needs redone.

And what do you mean by "The gutter shingles are nailed down."
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they are like screens over the gutters to catch leaves and seeds from the cottonwood seeds which will fill up to the top of the gutters in no time with two large trees in the back yard if not on. They are to fit under the shingles and to the outter edge of the rain gutter and lift out of the way when you need to clean out. But being nailed they can't be taken out and the gutters can't be hand cleaned ( hopefully nothing will ever get in it!)
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Well I sent the roofing company a letter stating I want some things done right, that is wrong and when the roof has lain down He will get his money. He threw in the gutter shingles and now states that this freebie was not authorized. Now he said he never allowed it. Make sure everthing is in writing and if they say they will do it, it is just to get you to sign. Well he and myself will go to small claims court and I sure wish that there was a Lie detector there as well.
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Old 01-12-2011, 12:32 AM   #20
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I got contractor to roof house after tearing off shingles he left lots of nails as the roofers said too many nails 11 per shingle and instead of pulling them drove in, lots after the paper was laid. the one next to edge should have been the water - ice sheet and it should have had wording on it . I lifted up the paper as it was tack on upper side but nails were still up under it with chunks of shingles up to 3 inches and paper was still on bottom under nail so I don't think they took off the last water ice shield. The roof should have been compleatly cleared and all nails should have been taken out or driven down. before the paper is laid and they laid the paper down over the nails and was hammering them down thur the paper which tore when he didn't hit it right. water and ice shied should have been sticky and I think he just put on roofing paper. 1. Should he have pulled the nails out if they were up and alot. 2. Should the water ice sheild have wording on it and is it tacky, 3. My roof was done on a cold day ( ND) and high winds of 65 the next day and real cold. The roof isn't laying down, should I wait to see if it lays down or pay him , I think the roof wasn't done right. I do have a contract but alot of the times they leave the area after they are done. When I helped with roofs years ago I pulled all nails that were up and every square bit was cleaned off before. If nails are all drove down instead of pulled soon there is too many nails in the 2x6 and than you get nails on nail- the roof has been done three times in 15 yrs from hail. he said that he was in Bismarck from 1995 but the trucks had tx lisense plates and two Mex. which I think he subcontracted out. Of all the roofers he was the one with the most professionl papers and suppose to be certified. Thanks

Well my friend I feel bad for the way that you have been treated.Unfortunately in many areas all you need to operate is a pouch, truck and a ladder..oh yeah cannot forget the $ 25.00 to pay for a city license.I have completed many reroofs during the winter months and yes some have been lifted.,but not that bad..,I have our crews tear a section off clean,felt pop lines then open bundles and spread them out over the sections they will be working on.If the sun is out then more times than not they will lay down and not look like this. It is a plus in your favor that you had 65mph winds and all shingles stayed on.All nails should have either been pulled or at least knocked down.The felting over nails is a novice mistake, not too much professionallism within this situation.
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Well he and myself will go to small claims court and I sure wish that there was a Lie detector there as well.
Pictures, pictures, pictures. Take a few with a ruler to illustrate how high the lifted shingles are. If you can get another roofer to sign an estimate to repair the damage it might help.

You might pay a home inspector to do a roof inspection only. Explain your problem. If he finds fault you will have documentation.
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My biggest problem is a foot of snow on the roof from nov til now so I can't have the roof inspected. That is why I said to him as soon as the roof is clear of snow I will have it inspected . Right now I'm trying to get the Gap roofing companys attention but no one has answered my emails, I went on their web sight and they showed that one of their people can inspect my roof. One person said that Gap won't stand behind my roof if the roofer didn't follow their rules. My insurances says it is up to me.
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My biggest problem is a foot of snow on the roof Right now I'm trying to get the Gap roofing company's attention but no one has answered my emails,

I went on their web sight and they showed that one of their people can inspect my roof. One person said that Gap won't stand behind my roof if the roofer didn't follow their rules. My insurances says it is up to me.

The fact that you have a foot of snow on your roof isn't good for your situation. The snow has already made its way under the shingles which
the shingles intentions are to prevent this.When you say gap do you mean GAF ? And it is true the manufacture won't stand behind a product if it has been installed improperly, then realistically why should they? The wrappers the shingles are distributed in clearly states that it is up to the installer to read and abide by the manufactures intended installation procedures.It also states in a disclaimer that they are not responsible for faulty installations.Here is a scenario to help explain,you have a roof installed and you notice curling and premature blistering etc. You call the manufacture and they send out a rep and your roof was installed incorrectly then that is considered a mechanical issue eliminating them from responsibility.In S.W Missouri ALL the insurance work that I do, the homeowners summary clearly states that it is the responsibility of the homeowner to pick and choose which contractor they want to perform the repairs.I am sure in your situation this isn't something you want to know.The best advice I can give you is to set an appointment for an inspection from your building department.I know you have a foot of snow on your roof but you need to start taking action to cover yourself for the future with this situation.Have the building department give you proof that you inquired about an inspection on a certain date but due to weather issues a time when the weather isn't a factor will be set.That shows that this has been a problem for you from the beginning.If you take this to court the last thing you want for a judge to say is why did you wait till spring to bring this up? Florida is the only state (I think) that has a homeowner fund through the state that if you get shoddy or faulty repairs performed to your home they will reinburse them up to $ 25,000.
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It's called a storm chaser pimping out the work to Mexicans and calling himself a Contractor.

There are local professionals to do the work ).
I could not agree with you more its sad when these storms come through and the scammers come out in force,but when these storms hit ,even if you hire a local contractor you still take a chance on out of state workers being on your home.It is impossible for a contractor who does an average of 300 homes per year to handle a storm that damaged 100,000 homes using local only workers.
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Old 01-15-2011, 04:56 PM   #25
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yea those shingles look pretty bad...if you look in my thread my new installed shingles look way different. no lifting at all
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I found out that in nd you have to lisense outer state trucks right a way. That truck wasn't I wish I knew this now as they told me I should have called it in, I'm talking to everybody I can and copied every bit of information off gaf and other roofing material of how to clear the deck before the felt and ice shield goes down. There is no information on not hammering nail under the paper or it may tear or ruin the felt. When a person gets their roof done they just want it done right and have a good night sleep and the contractor can go spend his money. This guy has pushed my buttons one too many times. If he said that he would write a paper that the roof wouldn't lay down ,, he would take care of it in 4- 6 months ( after snow and it got warm ) I would have paid him. On the contract if it isn't paid in full the warrinity is void- if there is extreame winds, hail, and other weather that cause leaks it isn't covered by him- That could mean the 60 mile wind could get him off when he knew it was comming and the shingle won't seal because dirt and water /snow got into it. On the web page he has that owner is on all job sites satisfaction. I have never in all my life had a bad roofer - and even got up to help them when I could - they still got the same money- but I got to see really good men work. But this is the worse roofer- any person works for me I also gave the extra when they done good and bought a good meal afterwards for a good job.
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Here is something to chew on, realistically sad but true you have no warranty anyway.If a contractor will NOT treat you with respect and gratitude then what makes you think he will return? I appreciate my customers and I make sure that they are aware of that from the start to finish.The sad part of it friend is open a map of any state close your eyes and point,who are guaranteed to have a story such as yours in circulation.
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[quote=rbcf;573099] On the contract if it isn't paid in full the warranty is void- if there is extreme winds, hail, and other weather that cause leaks it isn't covered by him- That could mean the 60 mile wind could get him off when he knew it was coming and the shingle won't seal because dirt and water /snow got into it.

That part of his warranty isn't worth the paper its written on.EVERY legitimate contractors warranties are always in accordance with the shingle manufacture material limitations, meaning high velocity wind EXCEEDING the materials capabilities by the manufacture.For 20 or 25yr material installations over 60 mph winds exceed the materials capabilities.A 30 yr minimums are 90mph up to 110mph.
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My life is bad enough with my husband dying a slow death-Pick disease-like Alizitmers/sp. It cause aggression and you can't reason with him. I couldn't leave him alone very long or I would have been up on that roof. I care for him 24 hr a day and most of the time can't get more than 4 hrs sleep a day. ( 5 yrs of it so far.) 10 yrs from the start.

Than to have the roof not done right. Than a person's mind is going around the clock.

To those people that make your life a living hell I hope it comes back to them. But to the good and honest person that their honor mean something a cheer and toast to them. Thanks for writing to me on this subject. I want everyone to think ahead and see how the lives of people who is counting on someone to take care of there homes what it means to them to get the job done right and the customers tell the contractors that do a good job, a good thank you. Those are the people who make america great.

I copied every thing I could on how the deck should be clear of nails before the felt and others are laid. I copied the papers that gaf on how to prepare it, I copied his web page where it said he would be on every job- wasn't- His listing of satisfaction. false, pictures of the roof, I took pictures of the attic, and got as much information together to meet him with a judge. Understand customers just want a good roof. good job and people know your name as good . poor job and you lose. Thanks again!!!
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This may sound silly to you but where are you from? The reason I ask is if you are close enough I would have NO problem coming to you and taking care of these issues FREE OF CHARGE.It is unfortunate that your husband is ill and kudo's to you.I am a big guy but this story you told brings tears to my eyes.Some people just need to be woke up.So my # is
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