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Venise 03-06-2012 01:42 PM

I live in SE MIchigan and have a roofing specialist that installs Owens Corning Duration series shingles as well as Gaf-Elk Timberline and Certinteed shigles but he is really pushing Owen Corning. Is this the best shingle between the three. He is licensed and insured but doesn't want to pull a permit because he believes it's cheaper to pay the city of Detroit's fine. Is this typical practice?

Grampa Bud 03-06-2012 01:49 PM

Only from shysters ! ! Either you have to pull a permit or he does. The permit is there to protect you, the homeowner.

AtlanticWBConst. 03-06-2012 02:09 PM

Sounds more like he's not telling you the whole story about the matter. IMHO - There's another reason why he doesn't want to pull a permit, and he's feeding you a line.

How do you "know" he's licensed and insured = Because he "says" he is?

Is it his license, or someone elses? Is it current? Does he have the correct type of insurance? Doe he have complaints against him?

Is he trying to fly under the radar for some other reason?

My 2 cents is: RUN as far as you can from that offer.

Venise 03-06-2012 06:40 PM

Thank you for the feed back. As far as the best company as far as Asphalt Singles. What is the best company to go with Owens Corning, GAF-Elk or Certinteed?

Roofmaster417 03-06-2012 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Venise (Post 872012)
doesn't want to pull a permit because he believes it's cheaper to pay the city of Detroit's fine.

So this behavior qualifies him as a "Roofing Specialist"?.,With that type of mentality who authorized him to associate his name with "Specialist" status ?

Does this guy not register his vehicles with the state or not pay property tax because the $150 ticket for not registering is cheaper than the other ?

This guy is waving a red flag or better yet a 50' by 50' flashing billboard right in your face as to why you should choose another contractor for your repairs.IMHO this "Specialist" is giving you a free out on this one.At least you are finding it out before the pony ride even starts.

Many states,cities,counties and or municipalities make a permit part of their criteria for the building process.Everyone else abides by the rules of attaining a reroof permit.If he chooses not to abide then I wonder what else he will find during your project that is much cheaper and is in his best interest.It is called ethics.,that would be right up there with the words integrity and honesty as well as fair practice.

It is your project but I would give my money to someone who is willing to do business according to the rules and laws that are required.I have paid at the most $200 for a reroof permit.Just say you do in fact hire someone more qualified.,he just missed out on a job.Just say your profi margin on your project was $3500.00.He just lost $3500.00 and a referral.,how is that cheaper than purchasing a permit ?

The rules I speak of are laws or requirements at the state,city,county for permits.,Installations according to standard practices that are in conjunction with building codes and installation requirements by the manufacture themselves.

I prefer Certainteed myself but that is my preference.

Jay 78 03-06-2012 07:15 PM

Guys, this is Detroit we're talking about here. Take everything you know about doing anything properly, and deposit it in the trash.

Don't try to understand. You never will. And be thankful for that.

Gary in WA 03-06-2012 10:21 PM

No permit....... will you pay for his worker's accidental death because he is not carrying "Labor & Industries" liability insurance either? Does your Homeowners Policy cover that.......


Venise 03-07-2012 12:58 PM

I thank you all for your help on this and I decided to pass on this company as I have done my research and found them to be licensed and insured. This is my first home, and without much help or guidance from seasoned contractors around me, thats why I turned to the experts like you all. My parents have passed and I moved back home to where the houses and neighborhood is still one of the nicest areas to live in Detroit. It is a exclusive area and homes are beautiful so I would love to keep my childhood home that way. It is important to me that this project goes well. Well back to visiting the Home Builder shows to find more companies that can meet my budget and level of service.

The point about Detroit, there are still good business, contractors, roofing specialist that do reside in the city limits so in all fairness to those contractors that do the right thing regardless of city limits. The contractor mentioned in my threat was from Clinton Township, MI and not a Detroit based company. So do I slam everyone in Clinton Township because of this shady contractor? No!

Once more, thank you and I knew that this was the place to turn to when in doubt about shady contractors. All, I thank you so much for your feedback!

dougger222 03-07-2012 01:13 PM

Like others have said throw the "contractors" estimate in the garbage and move on (in other words).

As far as shingles in regards to the three listed my choice would be,
1. Certainteed
2. Owens Corning
11. GAF/Elk

Windows on Wash 03-07-2012 09:07 PM

Waiting for the firestorm...


OldNBroken 03-07-2012 11:11 PM

Bah, I'd rather we just cut and paste entire threads of the previous firestorms when this comes up. :thumbup: Would save a lot of time and effort.

Roofmaster417 03-08-2012 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by OldNBroken (Post 873160)
Bah, I'd rather we just cut and paste entire threads of the previous firestorms when this comes up. :thumbup: Would save a lot of time and effort.

True.,but that would take all the fun out of it. :thumbsup:

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