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Old 10-24-2012, 12:16 PM   #16
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First Grumpy how have you been doing.? Second i'm seeing alot of OC's going up in my area. I personal like landmarks.

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Thank you for your response. But at $12K you are not getting the job, you will have to sharpen your pencil a bit.

Unlike most people I am a bit annal about some things. The first thing I notice is when a company representative shows up and parks in the middle of my driveway, blocking it, Strike one!

just recieved 2nd bid, estimator told me it would be emailed. At the job he told me it would be $7K, the emailed written estimate is $8,300! Office and estimator must not talk to each other or office does not want job?

The last roof I had installed 3 years ago the contractors were very close in price. I picked the one that presented a highly detailed bid.

last time what impressed me most in the whole experience was the crew! They showed up and instead of parking in the middle of the drive, they asked where they should park. There was no screaming and yelling, no Hey where the $%&^'s my hammer you AH? No Boom Box's blaring out noise. A group of hardworking respectful men. Real pleasant experience.

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LOL sharpen the pencil? I wouldn't want the job! I roof for profit, not practice. I've been roofing 14 years. Even at $12k I think it's cheap, not enough to pay my employees for health insurance, vacation time nor paid vacations, which I am guessing you enjoyed your whole career but is pretty much NOT EXISTENT in the roofing industry. Again you're just looking at price and not the recipe. I promise you put what I described above against what they are proposing and you will see the scope of work is much much less. My price is not even close to out of line because if you look at Roof Master his price per square was very much the same as mine, actually more. Heck! I think by the numbers he posted per square, he'd be $12k-15k with the measurements you provided.


You'll be back in a year complaining that the roof is leaking and the roofer won't come back to fix it or went out of business what ever. How can he honor his warranty at those prices?! We all have to make the bed we sleep in. I'm just trying to help you make your bed a little bit neater. If you are concerned with price over quality then I most certainly am not the person to be helping you make your decision. Upfront investment is all fine and good, but there is something called life cycle price. A properly installed roof using quality materials will be cheaper in the long run (life cycle) than a cheaply installed roof with chit material (upfront investment).


The 2nd bid is the reason I do not give ball parks. I always forget something I remember about later when I have pen to paper, a cup of hot coffee, and calculator. I knew $7k seemed way too low! Now we're getting to where we should be! remember I said $10-12K, also remember I said I am usually $2k higher, so you see where I am going with this (8+2=10)... When I price a job I make a complete materials list, all the materials and equipment I will need for the job. I then take my best guess as to labor. Using a price per square formula I can get a somewhat accurate ball park, but not always, since no two jobs are ever the same. Sounds like that's what this guy did.


Why wouldn't you hire the same roofer as last time if you had such a great experience with them?
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Thanks for the response.

We are in 2 different markets. In Chi I would never get these prices, in FL you would get very little work at your prices. Your expenses are also much higher. FL has always been known for low labor costs.

I solicited 3 bids, I need to keep people honest and if someone has a ton of work they are going to be high and vicea versa.

The company I used last time finally sent their bid. Last time it was so detailed that it should have set the industry standard. This time the bid is sketchy. Bid states 30 year dimensional shingles, no brand, no name, nothing! Peel and stick underlayment, no brand name nothing! No details. He did stick to his price of $6600. So we will be emailing back and forth until I am satisfied or I will use Gary. ( I am sure I can beat Gary down a bit on price)

I am not trying to appear smart or knowledgeable, I am grateful for the people who are willing to freely share their knowledge and experience with others so that we do not become the victims of unethical operators.

With all due respect JIm
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Good to see you Grumpy!

Yes, I would have been at least $11K.

I looked at one the other day like that fellow did and quoted a price. He said "I won't nickel and dime you either." I said "I was sure of that, I'm getting that out of the way right now!" "I assure you I'll be higher than many others!"
"When can you start?" were his next words. (I wonder if I shoud send him a proposal?)

Thing is, we're known for low labor rates here, at least certain companies are.

(Not poking at you Jim, just commenting because your first post made me look at your address to see if it was me. It sure sounded like me, except for the part about actually receiving a written proposal.)
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Thanks for the response.

We are in 2 different markets. In Chi I would never get these prices, in FL you would get very little work at your prices. Your expenses are also much higher. FL has always been known for low labor costs.

I solicited 3 bids, I need to keep people honest and if someone has a ton of work they are going to be high and vicea versa.

The company I used last time finally sent their bid. Last time it was so detailed that it should have set the industry standard. This time the bid is sketchy. Bid states 30 year dimensional shingles, no brand, no name, nothing! Peel and stick underlayment, no brand name nothing! No details. He did stick to his price of $6600. So we will be emailing back and forth until I am satisfied or I will use Gary. ( I am sure I can beat Gary down a bit on price)

I am not trying to appear smart or knowledgeable, I am grateful for the people who are willing to freely share their knowledge and experience with others so that we do not become the victims of unethical operators.

With all due respect JIm
I disagree, only because I know guys who charge the samea s me in Florida. Did you see Roofmaster's post? He charges more than me and occasionally works in Florida. It's not really worth arguing further though, I agree labor rates do vary regionally but not by 43%.

Good luck with your roofing project, I see that I can offer no further assistance.


Edit: ...and I am offended that you take pride in the fact that you intend to "beat down the price" of a hard working contractor. SHAME ON YOU JIM! SHAME SHAME. I think you are the one that is unethica;l, and someone here needs to give Gary a call and warm him about you immediately! Not only do I see I can't assist you further, but I see that I REFUSE to assist you further. Price shopper <patooey!>
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When I saw 26 square at 6600, I realized how glad I am that I don't roof in Florida. Is life really that cheap there?

Hopefully you are getting a quality roof done since from what I understand, this is your second roof in 3 years.

Like Grumpy, the roofs we install are the last ones that person will need unless they spend more than 50 years at their home.
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It shouldn't. There are all types of customers and contractors. I've won jobs where I was the most expensive and lost jobs where I was cheaper.
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How dare you sir!!!

What give you the right to be in business for profit!! Don't you understand that you didn't build that business.



I couldn't get it out without spitting on my computer.
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I am buying another house with 27 year old roof.

Could a roof in FL last 50 years? People are impressed with this one at 27 years old.

Does not matter, you will not get a house with a 30 year old roof insured in Florida, except maybe metal.

Unethical? This is America a capitalistic society, any company is just as free to tell me to go pound salt as I am to tell them to lump it!

Feel free to give Gary a call, he is a smart man and knows what and who he is dealing with, remember he has been doing this for 50+ years! I am not hazing a fraternity pledge here.

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27 years out of a FL asphalt roof is very good. Depends on the color range but that is about as good as can be expected.
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im in the panhandle and me laying the shingles i am going getting 30 bucks a square and thats up to a 8 pitch. after that it goes up alittle more.
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im in the panhandle and me laying the shingles i am going getting 30 bucks a square and thats up to a 8 pitch. after that it goes up alittle more.
Yeah as an employee, right?

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