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Old 02-14-2008, 10:14 PM   #1
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Hello,

Would a roofer on this message board educate me on a roof patch job I had done?

I bought an old house where the asphalt shingled roof is at the end of its life. A roof contractor offered to do a roof patch job (both main house & garage) using 6 mil plastic to be secured with 2X4's and NPI. I signed a contract for $1,650 which also includes NPI'ing the base of the chimney and capping it. The capping wasn't done, so the job came to $1,575.

The contractor came out with a friend for a few hours for 3 days. He came with a lift truck that has seen better days. The thing kept stalling and I was left with deep gouges in my front yard when the thing sank into it. The rooves are unsightly to say the least. The contractor says it should be good until Spring and no guarantee on leaks.

Was this a reasonable job at a reasonable price?

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Ohhhh....man!!!

...Dude....you just wasted $1575.00....

I am sorry to say.....

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Atlantic, would you explain?

The house was leaking in several places and I had to consider a temporary fix during the winter. I told the contractor I would not replace the roof for awhile -- not at the 1st thaw of Spring.

What should he have recommended be done?
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It sounds like you received exactly what you had contracted for, with the exception of the tire ruts from his lift.

If you knew he was going to be using a lift on your landscaping, that should have been understood by you and better protected by him, but if the situation was not addressed beforehand, you are pretty much SOL.

The thin tarp and the NEI membrane will most likely be able to immediately deflect 99% + of the inclement weather that previously would have breached your aged and porous roofing system currently in place. The only draw back will be the UV degradation of the 6 mil sheet. I hope at least that the visqueen sheet was of the reinforced variety, versus the plain unreinforced plastic sheet goods.

If you intend on pursuing the spring time or later repairs with this same contractor, you should contractually address any conceivable concerns that you can think of, and not just verbally, but in writing. If protection of property is agreed to, then what are his liabilities to make them whole again?

Also, if the current damage is significant enough, his general liability insurance policy should be available to seek recovery costs from. I do hope that you required a copy of his certificate of insurance prior to any work being contracted for.

This temporary repair for weather mitigation may or may not last your desired timeframe, dependant upon the amount of the suns UV degradation and the extent of heavy winds billowing effect on the material, which will probably allow it to come loose or crack away from the 2" x 4" battens.

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Atlantic, would you explain?

The house was leaking in several places and I had to consider a temporary fix during the winter. I told the contractor I would not replace the roof for awhile -- not at the 1st thaw of Spring.

What should he have recommended be done?
My point was this:
Yes, I understand that you needed to do an immediate temporary repair.

However, I did't agree that the temporary repair, of that nature, should cost that.
Now, on the other hand, I could be wrong: I don't know what the pitch is, the arrangment, the design, what the layout of your property is, the weather conditions, etc...
The whole package may have been on a high level of difficulty...which may have constituted the price (over a simple cape style home on flat accessible land).
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Thanks, both of you. I feel more comfortable about the repairs now, though I agree the cost may have been too much.

The contractor told me about using the lift, however I believe the massive lift he used should have been parked on the street or the sidewalk, not my front yard. The chimney is very tall and he could not access it. Clearly the contractor did not have the tools to access the special features of my house.

About insurance, I took the contractor's word for having his. I also took the recommendation of a friend (who is no authority on contractors) to use him. I plan to be more prudent in choosing my contractors from now on.
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Roofing is Not Brain Surgery. There are many Wrong ways to roof a house. But…There is only…One “Right Way”, By Following All of the Manufacturers Specifications. Over 90 % of All Roofs Done - DO NOT Qualify for the Manufacturers Long Term Warranty!!! ( According to studies by GAF Roofing Corp., Air Vent Inc., & Alcoa )
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1) RELIABILITY: Verify that the contractor you call has been in business in your area for At Least 10 Years. Over 85 % of all roofing contractors are out of business in less than 5 years, way before the warranty expires and before many roofing problems begin to show up and cause problems. 85 % of those remaining do not last till the 10th year. (Department of Labor Statistics)

2) INTERVIEW: Make time to meet with any contractor you call, in person, at your home to review the proposal and detailed specifications. Try to select a Knowledgeable, Organized, Experienced, and Locally Established contractor who will take a personal interest in your roofing project. Choose one who has an established track record of many similar roofing projects done in your local area. If they will farm out your roofing job to an unknown subcontractor, you should interview them as well.

3) REFERENCES: Insist on a minimum of at least 20 - 50 recent job references & also several from each year they say they were in business. Ask for customer testimonials. Drive past several of the jobs to check for proper venting, flashing details, and general appearance. Ask previous customers if they were satisfied and if they would use them again. Contact your local building inspector for verification.

4) BUYER BEWARE: Be suspicious if any contractor requires you to get the roofing permit. The party who applies for the permit is responsible for building code compliance. What happens when the roofing specs do not conform to the local codes? Why won’t they be responsible for it? Also, Do Not Ever pay more than 50 % when paying a deposit.

5) ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER:Make sure that the contractor actually has a physical location that you can find if you need to locate them in the future, not just a mailbox etc., drop box. Do they have an actual office and material storage shop or just work out of the back of their pick up truck. Make sure they have an actual local telephone # and not just a cell phone. When problems occur, it is much easier to find someone if you already know how to, in advance. Check out his drivers license address.

6) LICENSE, INSURANCE AND BONDS: Insist on receiving a copy of the Contractors State of Illinois Roofing License, General Liability Insurance, Workers Compensation Insurance and their Roofing Bond. Don’t just assume they have it because they tell you so. They should have enough pride in themselves to include a copy for each customer.

7) PROPOSAL AND/OR CONTRACT:Insist on a very thorough and detailed written proposal and examine it for complete descriptions of the work and specifications, including approximate length of the job and payment procedures. Verbal agreements should be added to the written agreement. You MUST, by law, be advised in writing of your 3-Day “Right To Rescind” if you change your mind and receive all of your deposit money refunded to you.

8) EMPLOYEES OR SUB-CONTRACTORS: If your contractor farms out the job to a sub-contracting crew, they too must supply you with their Roofing License, General Liability and Workers Compensation Insurance and Roofing Bond. If they don’t and someone gets hurt, you may be liable. The sub-contractor should be interviewed as well. Dedicated trained experienced Employees are more desirable due to continuing training and experience.

9) CONTRACTOR TRADE ASSOCIATIONS: Quality control begins with dedication, the amount of proper knowledge and previous training from past projects and from advanced learning through many contractor trade associations. Memberships in any related trade association and certificates of completion from manufacturers product training classes authenticate the more dedicated professional.


10) USE YOUR NOGGIN: 85 % of all construction lawsuits involve roofing related problems. You only have one chance to make the “Right 1st Choice”. If one contractor tells you something extremely different than another contractor, then either do your own research or have the contractor provide documentation to justify and support his analysis, especially about Intake & Exhaust Ventilation, Plywood vs. OSB Particle Board, Ice & Water Shield & Flashings.

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Wow! Thanks loads, Ed!

BTW, It's been brought to my attention that the roof contractor I used has a prison record. Does this mean he's not bondable?
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Ask his bail bondsman.

I don't know which version of "Bonding" you are referring to. Typically, not too many roofs are "Bonded" roofs anymore. That used to be a "Warranty" gimmick from the manufacturers.

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Contessa, don't know where you are from, but in Ontario, anyone with a criminal recod is not bondable without a pardon. That is not to say they are not capable, but simply not bondable.
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next time just take a match to your money.
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It sounds like he did what you asked..Too bad you couldn't have put that 1575.00 toward your new roof and had it done now.

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