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Old 10-24-2013, 10:52 AM   #31
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Was he quoting comp?

I didnt see any mention of a roof type for these #s. A nice SS metal roof would cost you $24k more if you wanted SS or copper.
His quote was for a complete roof with asphalt shingles and lifetime warranty. I think they use GAF, IIRC. "The ONLY roof you will EVER buy!"

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Old 10-24-2013, 04:11 PM   #32
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Alot of people feel more comfortable using the bigger chain companies rather than independent guys for the bigger jobs because they think with a better known brand name they're less likely to get duped.

Well, someone has to pay all that overhead that goes towards the brand new trucks, laptops, IPADS, 1-800 customer service line, and salaried sales people they use to wow you into thinking you're signing up for top notch work.

Many of them have stacks of awesome reviews on Angie's list too, because most people have no idea how much they're being over-charged or how superior the work isn't.

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Old 10-25-2013, 11:59 AM   #33
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Here's the pictures:
garage faces south.


leaks are around the chimney at the flashing at both levels.


This is the north end of the house. This area is shaded by the oaks nearly all day.

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His quote was for a complete roof with asphalt shingles and lifetime warranty
Keep in mind that the installer is not warrantying anything. Its the shingle manufacturer that gives the warranty. And if the shingle manufacturer finds anything wrong with the installation, or if your attic ventilation is not proper, that warranty may not be worth the paper its printed on.
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Keep in mind that the installer is not warrantying anything. Its the shingle manufacturer that gives the warranty. And if the shingle manufacturer finds anything wrong with the installation, or if your attic ventilation is not proper, that warranty may not be worth the paper its printed on.
most likely not if, but when.
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most likely not if, but when.
I've been hearing this a lot and this is one of the things that the ..... from Power said several times.

So, what do I do to make sure that the warranty won't be void WHEN a problem arises?

Is it necessary to get the roofer's contract to say in writing, "The roof will be installed per manufacturers instructions"? Is this enough?

You guys aren't giving me any confidence in any roofing company out there. I think maybe I should just do this myself. How hard can I be?
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If you go to certainteed website and find a roofer in your area who holds SELECT ShingleMaster™ (SSM) Certification from Certainteed. You don't have a worry in the world pertaining to them honoring warranty.
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I've been hearing this a lot and this is one of the things that the ..... from Power said several times.

So, what do I do to make sure that the warranty won't be void WHEN a problem arises?

Is it necessary to get the roofer's contract to say in writing, "The roof will be installed per manufacturers instructions"? Is this enough?

You guys aren't giving me any confidence in any roofing company out there. I think maybe I should just do this myself. How hard can I be?
MC,

The same could be said for nearly every home improvement project.

Like the guys have said, do your research and you will therefore be able to sort through the crap vs. those that actually know what they are doing.

If you are relying on the terminology in the contract, you are probably screwed already.

Manufacturer's certifications are great and help with the enforceability of the warranty but are not a 1 shot deal for protection. The best thing you can do is understand what you are looking at and therefore vet the actions and proposal of the contractor.

There are some projects like roofing and siding that are certainly doable by homeowners but because of the lack of ability to produce the job in a quick turn around and close up what will be an open home, are best left to larger and well managed crews.

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Anyone that tells me that I have to 'sign now' to get that deal gets shown the door and told not to return.

Don't even think about using them....time to get some more quotes.

A 'real' contractor will be the guy that stops by your house either in the morning or late evening (before or after a job) to look at what you have. He will have a ladder....he will climb on your roof....and most likely want to look in your attic...and his quote most likely will not be on the spot...but rather emailed or mailed to you in a day or so.

There is a lot of good info here on roofs...do some searching....get up to speed....

BTW....I would look for a local guy....when a contractor knows your a neighbor....he tends to take better care of you.

The contractor who did my stucco lived only a few blocks away. I will be inviting him to the house warming once I'm done.
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Here in Connecticut Power HRG is about 2 1/2 times higher than anyones prices. They do the hard sell (bullying tactics). I do see them working here, and there. The crews are all subs, and I have never EVER seen them do anything special. Very run of the mill, and basic at best.
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Anyone that tells me that I have to 'sign now' to get that deal gets shown the door and told not to return.

Don't even think about using them....time to get some more quotes.

A 'real' contractor will be the guy that stops by your house either in the morning or late evening (before or after a job) to look at what you have. He will have a ladder....he will climb on your roof....and most likely want to look in your attic...and his quote most likely will not be on the spot...but rather emailed or mailed to you in a day or so.

There is a lot of good info here on roofs...do some searching....get up to speed....

BTW....I would look for a local guy....when a contractor knows your a neighbor....he tends to take better care of you.

The contractor who did my stucco lived only a few blocks away. I will be inviting him to the house warming once I'm done.
I appreciate the tips. I am taking this advice. I've already had some other estimates done and will be getting a few more once I get the masonry contractor chosen and scheduled. I need to get the chimney repaired before the roof.

Seems like a silly question, but should I be scared by a low price? Even if this is the contractor suggested/referred by my insurance company?
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yes. Insurance company's love guys who cut corners.
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Here in Connecticut Power HRG is about 2 1/2 times higher than anyones prices. They do the hard sell (bullying tactics). I do see them working here, and there. The crews are all subs, and I have never EVER seen them do anything special. Very run of the mill, and basic at best.
Seems to be the standard theme for salesmen. They aren't roofers even if they did pick up a hammer some time in the past. They have a vested interest in the 'sale' and the sale only. They have NO investment in the roofing job, the roof, or it's outcome. Glad you gave them the heave-ho.

Also, be very scared of the low price! Good roofers do bid to include R&R of the siding, as needed, and new flashing, so beware the one that doesn't even mention it. You'll likely run into a sub-par installation, or a huge change order.
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BTW, the way they keep changing and 'improving' the newer shingle products, Lifetime warranty seems to mean, 'When the Roof Dies'.

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