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Old 10-05-2011, 06:47 AM   #31
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Doesn't look like there is much lap on the felt. How are the tiles fixed? ie the nibs hooked over battens?

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Old 10-05-2011, 07:30 AM   #32
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Mike, being "mad" at the builder and/or roofing contractor is an understatement .

I really think you have got to get a professional out there. I'm sure the rest of the roof is in the same condition or going to be at some point if not corrected. That is a lifeless, mutilated organic felt laid loose on the deck with less than minimum overlap. Apparently, tiles were not mudded down, don't see any battens or nails maybe "duct tape" at the head lap. IMO this is beyond a DIY project. I would contact the builder, municipal building inspector, roofing contractor, roof consultant and perhaps an attorney. That is unacceptable. I don't know what other advice to offer other than you've got to fight for your rights. It's things like this that give the industry a bad rep.





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Old 10-05-2011, 10:27 AM   #33
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Another thought I just had was about all your broken tile. Have you had tradesmen on the roof? Hail storms, etc.? I know sometimes 2nd quality tiles can be sold (although usually for color issues). Perhaps yours had a low PSI...like too much sand in the mix? If you look underneath the tile the manufacturers name should be embossed into it. Perhaps a call to the manufacturer or sales rep. couldn't hurt either.
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Doesn't look like there is much lap on the felt. How are the tiles fixed? ie the nibs hooked over battens?
I did not see any battans. I am in the process of hiring a roofer now.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:10 PM   #35
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You and your roof are in my thoughts...please keep us posted.

Thanks.
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I am actually considering installing a new roof by myself. I am now thinking about asphalt tiles because they look the easiest to install. Maybe I can get away with using asphalt tiles that are the same color as the concrete tiles.
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Old 10-06-2011, 07:50 AM   #37
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Mike, being "mad" at the builder and/or roofing contractor is an understatement .

I really think you have got to get a professional out there. I'm sure the rest of the roof is in the same condition or going to be at some point if not corrected. That is a lifeless, mutilated organic felt laid loose on the deck with less than minimum overlap. Apparently, tiles were not mudded down, don't see any battens or nails maybe "duct tape" at the head lap. IMO this is beyond a DIY project. I would contact the builder, municipal building inspector, roofing contractor, roof consultant and perhaps an attorney. That is unacceptable. I don't know what other advice to offer other than you've got to fight for your rights. It's things like this that give the industry a bad rep.
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I would recommend that you have a pro look at the project. Concrete tiles are not your average DIY'er project.
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I am actually considering installing a new roof by myself. I am now thinking about asphalt tiles because they look the easiest to install. Maybe I can get away with using asphalt tiles that are the same color as the concrete tiles.
Have you considered taking off the tiles, counter batten the boards, breather membrane and batten and then relay the tiles?
I don't know a lot about shingle roofs as they are rare here, but I have seen a couple that were looking a bit rough after only about 20 years. Could have been cheap shingles or bad workmanship though.
Concrete tiles should last much longer. There are many tiled roofs from the 30's still in good nick.
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Horsey, I will take your advice
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Have you considered taking off the tiles, counter batten the boards, breather membrane and batten and then relay the tiles?
I am going to have the roof professionally inspected.
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I am going to have the roof professionally inspected.
You've made the right decision. Are you using a Roofing Contractor or more of an inspector type person?

Like I said before, please post and let us know what their findings are.
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I am contacting a construction lawyer

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I am considering fake slate tiles to replace my concrete tiles. Consumer Reports recommends Ecostar Majestic or CertainTeed Symphony. Here are their websites....

http://www.ecostar.carlisle.com/majestic.html

http://www.certainteed.com/products/...ential/309040#

And Dupont Roofliner instead of felt....
http://www2.dupont.com/Tyvek_Weather...roofliner.html

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Hey Mike,

Just wondering how things are going with you and your roof? Have you had the roof inspected or contacted the construction attorney? Any news? Any updates would be appreciated.

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I'm doing exactly that right now.

Removing Duntex Concrete Tiles, and the existing underlayment, replacing any bad or weak wood, renailing to new codes and laying down some polyglass tu plus underlayment and then reinstalling the tiles with poly foam spray. Its going to be much better than originally done. The original roofer stretched the tiles out to the point that each right hand corner of the tile had a 1/8" triangle shaped hole IN EVERY TILE. I found some old stock off of another tear off and bought 120 more tiles, enough to add an extra row to each side. I also found a roofer that has some experience in using tile to assist me. This is not something I would recommend to the avg DIYER. If your really committed to do this project, then higher a tile guy to act as a consultant and don't do anything without him advising you or demonstrating to you how it should be installed.
If what you pulled up is indicative of the condition of the rest of your roof, I would advise you to do do the same as I did. If you can salvage and reuse all your tile, the job material wise should be about $1400 for the underlayment and foam spray for 25 sqs. Higher a roofer consultant for $500 and get a buddy or two to help you. You have a nice tile roof, the problem with going to the cheaper materials, like asphalt shingles, you are losing value, despite having a new roof. Do it right, go to an open valley, use a quality underlayment, and hire a roofer as a consultant. Do not cover the tile, the tile is just decoration, its the underlayment that is the real roof.

BTW I had my concrete tile valley replaced about 3 years ago, it cost me $300 and the guy was done in 2 hours. Its not rocket science, but does require that you know what your doing.

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