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Old 09-09-2011, 11:49 PM   #16
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So I talked with the contractor who did the roof. He says that a starter course is only for when you don't use the ice/snow guard. I'm not sure sure about that. He also says that if we used a starter course with my very low slant roof that it would make a "bump" at the eave, and make it harder for water to run into the gutters. He does acknowledge, though, that the ice/water guard should have been put on top of the drip edge rather than under it so that water running down it will still find it's way into the gutter. That's what's causing the one leak that I found.

Anyway, he's saying he can install flashing, about 6-8" wide and lengths as long as he can handle, to be placed under the first course of shingles - tucked back as far as possible - and going over the drip edge to catch any water that finds it's way between the butt joints of my first row of shingles and carry it down into the gutters. Doing this may also help with the water that finds it's way between the drip edge and the back of the gutters, right?

Any thoughts or concerns before we proceed with this course of action?
Go ahead and give him my number and I can explain the "Rookie" version of starter course installation.

When installing shingles the starter strip shingles are necessary along the roof eaves.

Starter strip shingles sit at the roof eave edges and under the first course of shingles. Starter course shingles are required to prevent water from working in between the tab notches and shingle edges on the first course of shingles.

You can create your own starter strip roof shingles by cutting away the tabs on 3-tab shingles or by simply inverting the 3-tab shingles when installing them.

I like using starter strips versus inverted 3 tab shingles.If starter courses were not important you would not have water running along window sills,behind the fascia.

The result will be.,rotten fascia,decking,and rafter tails.Once enough rott has formed you get a unhealthy dose of mold on the attic surface of your drywall and saturated insulation.

Also with the fascia deterioration also comes some rott along the entire length of the decking that meets the fascia where the seams of the shingles are exposed.

It is a good possibility that in time your gutters will start pulling away from the fascia then after some snow and maybe some ice they will fall to the ground.But they might not fall completely maybe a nice low sag.The bright side is you can clean the gutters without climbing a ladder.

I would not settle for some strips of aluminum.I would demand a proper installation that you payed for.Tell him to read the bundles of shingles for proper installation.

Have you ever heard of Certainteed,GAF,Tamko,Atlas,Owens Corning or any other manufacture that sells strips of aluminum in place of starters?.,I have not.

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Old 09-10-2011, 08:38 AM   #17
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Get a real roofer.

Ask him what not having starter course on does to the shingle wind warranty.
Yea, what he said.

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