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Old 07-25-2008, 11:06 AM   #16
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Just to be accurate and fair regarding the certainteed lawsuit issue, I know of only 2 lines, or styles that have had long lasting problems.

Those are the Horizon and the Hallmark lines.

I have never even heard of a problem with the Landmarks, but there probably are some that could be found.

With GAF, their was a large Class Action against everyone of their lines/styles of shingles that covered materials produces over 10-15 years in time.

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Old 07-25-2008, 08:23 PM   #17
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do you have a link to it ?,1st I`ve heard of it
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:24 PM   #18
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Since the case has settled, the in formation was a bit harder to obtain, so I went to GAF's, (GAFMC), corporate documents regarding their admission and claims amounts set aside for disbursement.

I did not realize nor remember that this issue spanned such a long period of time and also that is has been settled so long ago.

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Adding the most recent court ruling and decision I could find, which was from January, 2008:

http://www.basjlaw.com/n-legal-updates-jan08.html

Brooks v. GAF Materials Corp., 532 F.Supp.2d 779 (D.S.C. 2008).
Decided January 31, 2008.
Practice Areas: Litigation
The plaintiffs filed a lawsuit in state court alleging damages as a result of the defendant’s defective roofing materials. They later filed an amended complaint asserting a class action. The amended complaint stated that the total class damages would not exceed $5 million and that the individual recovery of any single class member would not exceed $74,999. The defendant removed the case to federal court, but the plaintiffs moved to remand on the grounds that the federal court lacked subject matter jurisdiction because the amount in controversy requirements of $75,000 for the individual class members and $5 million for the entire class were not satisfied. The defendants argued that the court should independently review the amount in controversy because the plaintiffs were not limited to the recovery requested in their complaint, but the United States District Court for the District of South Carolina held that the plaintiffs could limit the damages alleged in their complaint to avoid removal. Thus, the court remanded the case back to state court with instructions that any damages awarded must not exceed those requested in the complaint.



Now, with the other older information I found:

Note 1: Nonrecurring Charges

The Company recorded pre-tax nonrecurring charges in the third quarter of 1998 aggregating $27.6 million, of which $20.0 million related to the settlement of a national class action lawsuit involving asphalt shingles manufactured between January 1, 1973 and December 31, 1997.

Under the terms of the September 1998 settlement, the Company will provide property owners whose GAF shingles were manufactured during this period and which suffer certain damages during the term of their original warranty period, and who file a qualifying claim, with an opportunity to receive certain limited benefits beyond those already provided in their existing warranty. The Company agreed to the settlement, payments against which will be made over a number of years, to avoid the expense required to defend such litigation.


Another Site, but the GAF Link is Dead, probably because people ran out of time according to the decree:

http://riverplacesub.org/Links.htm

Information and Links
  • Defective Shingle Notice
Some homes in the subdivision have had problems with roof leaks as a result of defective GAF shingles. GAF has settled a class action court case for defective shingles. They will typically provide new shingles free of charge, however you will have to pay for installation. Installations costs for some homeowners have cost approximately $10,000-$15,000. Call 1-800-458-1860 to file a claim with GAF. The lawsuit settlement details can be seen at www.gaf.com/settlement.



From another site:
http://www.taymadeservices.com/News%...Homeowners.htm

Roofing Shingle Lawsuits
If you had Bird or GAF brand shingles installed on your house in the late 1980's or early 1990's you may be entitled to collect from the manufacturer to pay for replacement. There is a problem with these shingles cracking and splitting with widespread complaints by homeowners. To find out if you are eligible for replacement go to www.birdshingleclaims.com or call 800-247-3047. For GAF information go to www.gaf.com/settlementor call 800-458-1860. Elk brand shingles is currently fighting an ongoing suit in court. Attorneys for the plaintiff are Gilman & Pastor - 781-231-7850.



One more site with information:

http://www.gilmanpastor.com/Cases/case.asp?id=11

Gilman and Pastor, LLP served as lead counsel for a nationwide class of persons who owned properties with defective roofing shingles manufactured by GAF. We obtained a settlement of the product liability action with benefits estimated at $75 million.

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YOU AND i BOTH REALISE THE SPLITTING AND CRACKING WENT STRAIGHT ACROSS SEVERAL BRANDS OF SHINGLES,the main reason was lack of proper amounts of insulation,and no ventilation,which causedb extreme expansion/contraction of the surfaces on which the shingles were applied
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The splitting and cracking were primarily the cheaper light weight 3-tab shingles that they discovered from their studies in the early and mid 90's.

All brands that sell enough product will have dissatisfied customers and lawyers that want to leach onto the case due to the significant total sums when all parties are joined in a class action suit.

The HallMarks just sucked and the Horizons, in my personal opinion, had too much asphalt on the appliqué overlay, but I have a Horizon job from 1991 that still looks brand new, due to being properly ventilated. That 17 years old on a 12/12 cape cod.

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I have horizons on for 20 years also,the lawsuit was due to the reasons I just said ,and basically limited to the 20 yr 3-tabs as well,which were a stupid idea from any of the mfgr`s---bottom line certainteed may be on par with GAF,but is certainly not better-That is the point here,I`VE SEEN YOU GROUP THE SHINGLES YOU USE AS gaf,tamko,AND certainteed,and noting they were all considered equals by you ,in your words ED,Again the point is GAF puts out a good product,even better since it took over ELK,NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
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IKO,BPCO,AND ATLAS bashing I understand,and agree with lol
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I only group GAF with the upper echelon shingles due to many other roofing contractors opinions that I trust.

Personally, I just have not had the desire to add them to my offerings, since the LandMarks and Heritage Shingles provide sufficient color choices and reliability.

It is not that I personally disapprove of GAF, but more so that I do not want to overwhelm the Home Owners with additional decisions, plus I have not had problems with those brands I offer, so I will stick with them.

I did not list the old lawsuit information to bash the GAF product line,
but only because you requested the information, because you said you had not ever previously heard anything about that lawsuit, or, in your own words;
TRG, "do you have a link to it ?,1st I`ve heard of it"

Actually, upon doing my research to look up the information, there are many more available references against Certainteed Shingles that I found about GAF, but that is probably because the complains have been ordered to Cease and Desist since the settlement.

Previously, whenever I looked up problems about shingles, there were many more to be found, that now are missing, about the GAF lines.

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Hey! I'm getting ready to put on a new roof too. Which do you think is better Owens Corning Duration or Timberline 30 yr? One roofer told me Owens. What's your opinion?
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TIMBERLINE PRESTIQUE HIGH DEFINITION 30 YEAR,definitely not OC,DON`T PERSONALLY CARE FOR THEM
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Ask 10 roofers and 9 will tell you GAF/Elk over OC. I'm one of those nine and that tenth guy should stick with landscaping.

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