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pmay 11-01-2012 10:09 PM

newly installed asphalt looks horrible (See Pics)
 
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We just had approx 3/4 of the roof installed on our new construction house today. THe weather has been ablsolutely rainy including a light persistent drizzle today during the install. THe 15lb felt paper was exposed to at least a week of rainy/windy weather before the shingles installed and some of the felt required replacement after being torn away by wind. I am concerned that the shingles will have issues laying flat based on their appearance - see attached photo.
Professional roofers please share your opinion on what you think about the likelihood of these shingles flattening. Temp today during install in the 40s.

THanks for your opinions

Davejss 11-01-2012 10:24 PM

A few hot sunny days should do it.

joecaption 11-01-2012 10:25 PM

That's a mess.
Also the top of the valley is wrong, the rake board and shingle mould was installed wrong.

It may be just the picture but in the last one it almost looks like one of the cources is

AtlanticWBConst. 11-02-2012 09:12 AM

Does not look like the installation was yet completed (no ridge caps).

Alot of the shingles will lay flat with some warm sunny days (as previously stated).

Can't really tell by the pics, but is the pattern laid out correctly (proper stagger) for that particular brand and line of ARCH shingles?

joecaption 11-02-2012 09:21 AM

Is that pressure treated decking boards they used for the fashias?

OldNBroken 11-02-2012 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davejss (Post 1042873)
A few hot sunny days should do it.

+1

But I would definitely like to see what is going on at the top of that valley. That don't look right from here.

CIT 11-02-2012 08:13 PM

newly installed asphalt look horrible
 
That looks terrible!!!! I'd be sick!!

ddawg16 11-02-2012 09:05 PM

Question from a novice......should they have not used valley flashing?

I would worry that water running down the roof could push up under the shingles on the other side.

Roofmaster417 11-02-2012 09:13 PM

Majority of late fall,early winter,winter and early spring installs look like pooh.

The shingles are stiff and don't form to the roof very well.Extra care should be taken when shingles are installed to form into valleys.Ridge cap is another item that cracks if not pre bent.(Holding about 10-15 ridge caps and bending all at once over the knee)

If air pressure is not monitored then fastener blow through due to excessive air pressure will occur.A blown fastener passes thru the shingle fastened and the shingle below.The fastener will leave the hole but will not secure any part of the shingle.

During cold applications the shingle packages will take on the shape as they were loaded on the truck or how the were palletized in the factory,suppliers warehouse and they also take on the form after they have been loaded roof top or in your driveway.

From what I can see with your install the opening of the valley looks like it is broke.,possibly from walking in it due to the steep pitch.However steep pitch or not.,,its never a good idea to walk in a valley regardless of season.

The offset (Stagger) looks a bit funny.The roof shows a vertical pattern.Almost as if the shingles were racked.Another way I can tell that it might possibly had been racked is this.If you look at the rake.The rake can be cut several ways.1st by completing the entire rake then popping a chalk line and cutting it continuous.2nd by installing several courses up the rake then flipping a full shingle vertical flush with the starter then using the straight line from the shingle to make a clean cut.3rd by cutting each individual shingle to fit as your working up the rake.

Your rake shows the entire height of shingles that are sticking out further and shorter then flush from course to course.So that means the factory edge is to the outside rather than the factory on the inside and the cut on the outside.I am sure I just confused the hell outta everybody but I guess its hard to explain.And of course everything I just said is blown out of the water if your roofer was left handed. Hahahaha

Without seeing pix from the roof top and by seeing nail patterns or butts then to me it looks like a run of the mill cold weather application.Hopefulyl for your sake some warm temps will help it relax.

I am not saying that what the other posters are saying isn't true.I am just replying to what I see.

I contacted several manufactures personally about racking limited and lifetime shingles and this is what they said quote "Racking Architectural shingles is NOT a recommended installation procedure for their shingles"

pmay 11-02-2012 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davejss (Post 1042873)
A few hot sunny days should do it.


Thanks for the feedback. I'll post some pics after we warm up - hope your're right!

pmay 11-02-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roofmaster417 (Post 1043575)
Majority of late fall,early winter,winter and early spring installs look like pooh.

The shingles are stiff and don't form to the roof very well.Extra care should be taken when shingles are installed to form into valleys.Ridge cap is another item that cracks if not pre bent.(Holding about 10-15 ridge caps and bending all at once over the knee)

If air pressure is not monitored then fastener blow through due to excessive air pressure will occur.A blown fastener passes thru the shingle fastened and the shingle below.The fastener will leave the hole but will not secure any part of the shingle.

During cold applications the shingle packages will take on the shape as they were loaded on the truck or how the were palletized in the factory,suppliers warehouse and they also take on the form after they have been loaded roof top or in your driveway.

From what I can see with your install the opening of the valley looks like it is broke.,possibly from walking in it due to the steep pitch.However steep pitch or not.,,its never a good idea to walk in a valley regardless of season.

The offset (Stagger) looks a bit funny.The roof shows a vertical pattern.Almost as if the shingles were racked.Another way I can tell that it might possibly had been racked is this.If you look at the rake.The rake can be cut several ways.1st by completing the entire rake then popping a chalk line and cutting it continuous.2nd by installing several courses up the rake then flipping a full shingle vertical flush with the starter then using the straight line from the shingle to make a clean cut.3rd by cutting each individual shingle to fit as your working up the rake.

Your rake shows the entire height of shingles that are sticking out further and shorter then flush from course to course.So that means the factory edge is to the outside rather than the factory on the inside and the cut on the outside.I am sure I just confused the hell outta everybody but I guess its hard to explain.And of course everything I just said is blown out of the water if your roofer was left handed. Hahahaha

Without seeing pix from the roof top and by seeing nail patterns or butts then to me it looks like a run of the mill cold weather application.Hopefulyl for your sake some warm temps will help it relax.

I am not saying that what the other posters are saying isn't true.I am just replying to what I see.

I contacted several manufactures personally about racking limited and lifetime shingles and this is what they said quote "Racking Architectural shingles is NOT a recommended installation procedure for their shingles"

Thanks for detailed response. THis was definitely a cold/wet day install. THe rake edge looked uneven to me as well so I was hoping they hadn't actually cut it yet. THe job was finished today w temp 35-40 degrees but it was dark by the time i got home. I'll post some follow up pics after a couple warm days. Thanks again!

pmay 11-02-2012 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddawg16 (Post 1043570)
Question from a novice......should they have not used valley flashing?

I would worry that water running down the roof could push up under the shingles on the other side.

I'm a novice too. I think they used some kind of ice guard material "flashing" in the valleys approx 12" wide on each side of valley.

pmay 11-02-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlanticWBConst. (Post 1043143)
Does not look like the installation was yet completed (no ridge caps).

Alot of the shingles will lay flat with some warm sunny days (as previously stated).

Can't really tell by the pics, but is the pattern laid out correctly (proper stagger) for that particular brand and line of ARCH shingles?

You're right, the install was not completed in these pics. I'm hoping some sunshine will make a difference. Thanks for the critique on the pattern lay out. I will ask my genernal contractor to verify that. I will post some follow up pics.

pmay 11-02-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davejss (Post 1042873)
A few hot sunny days should do it.

Hope so - I'll post some pics after we warm up

pmay 11-02-2012 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1043152)
Is that pressure treated decking boards they used for the fashias?

Its #2 2x6(?) I think the pic is deceiving and agree it looks like pressure treated wood. The frame was just exposed to 5 continuous days of Sandy - saturated.


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