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Old 08-30-2007, 10:00 PM   #61
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QUOTE FROM GAF WARRANTY...GAF will not compensate you for damage to your shingles or roof from anything other than an inherent defect in your shingles, such as:

improper fastening of your shingles or application not in strict accordance with GAFMC's printed application instructions.

I will send GAF photos so they can decline warranty.

This is taking a lot of energy from me. Sapping my resolve. I want to fight for what's right. Not sure I'm up for it.

The only thing you want to make sure of is that this guy has the assets to pay the judgment. Winning your case is one thing and collecting is another. I'm hoping this guy does everything by the book business wise and has assets you could go after. I feel for you Doc. I just don't want GAF having a claim on file that could lead to a future denial claim. I hope that makes sense. I'm pretty sure GAF is going to say that the nails are fastened improperly. You should check with you clerk of court to see what steps you need to go through (paperwork, costs, etc.). First, do research on whether you want to bring up a lawsuit. Then collect your evidence. A part of me wants you to stick it to this guy. I just don't want it to jeopardize your state of health. I know sometimes no amount of money is worth that. I hope you get what you want. I can't believe this guy won't even fix is screw ups (seal the nails). I probably would go after this guy, if I was going through this issue.

My first step would be to file a complaint with the BBB and the FTC. I know he won't do anything, but at least your making records or trying to resolve the issue. I have a feeling like it will be hard to get any money from this guy.

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Old 08-30-2007, 10:06 PM   #62
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The clock is ticking on this. Winter is closing in. In order to pursue this by legal means I would need to leave it as is. Otherwise risk him saying I caused problems with his good roof. That I ignored his instructions to leave it alone and let it the glue seal.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:13 PM   #63
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Send the photos and a letter to GAF asking if the installation would be warranted per their own specifications.

Take photos with a tape measure to accent the nailing pattern and to also show how close to the side lap or butt edges they have been placed.

Send the letter certified with a return receipt requested.

Send a certified letter to the roofing contractyo and give him X amount of days to remedy the situation to bring it up to manufacturers specifications, or else you will be compelled to pursue all legal options available.

Get a written estimate, which you should pay for, from a GAF Certified Contractor for providing the proper repairs. He should be compensated for his evaluation time, as this will not be a desireable situation for him to get involved in. Or, contact a certified home inspector for a roofing inspection and the potential for damages yet unfolded.

Advise yoour attorney general, the states attorney office, the state licensing board, the city building inspection department, the BBB and anyone else you can think of tho use as a threat to hold over his head until an agreement on the repairs comes into place.

Place a time limit on all of this.

Small claims court is a very simple and inexpensive process in most states, and has a decent enough amount as the maximum dollar amount to probably allow you to pay another contractor to do the repairs as GAF recommends.

Follow through!!!

Have your attorney do you a favor and send him a notice of the intent to institute legal action against him for not following the manufacturers instructions.

Place a sign on your front lawn, stating NOT to use XXXXX Roofing Company.

Create a flyer to hand out to the local roofing supply houses stating the dishonorable and unethical treatment this contractor is providing you with.

Insert a photo of the exposed nails.

Ask; Is this the proper way to nail asphalt shingles? There are XX number of exposed nails upon this contractors supposed completion of the project.

This contractor says this is the way they do it all the time.

Are xx number of exposed nails supposed to be visible upon completion?

First send him a copy of the flyer and notify him that you will pass out hundreds of copies to all of the organizations you belong to and post them on the bulletin boards at all of the local grocery stores and all of the other locations previously mentioned.

Maybe then, he will see you are serious about having your roof installed the "Right Way."

Be his biggesty nightmare and don't go away until he accomodates your demands.

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Old 08-30-2007, 11:57 PM   #64
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ED, I'll posture a bit when he comes by Friday afternoon or Saturday. I will email photos to GAF and print out their reply. If needed will also USPS mail them, certified signature required. I'll pursue it for a while and find out for sure what my legal options are.
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One more thought regarding the photo shoot.

Take some yellow chalk and circle all of the areas where the nail placement is in question to the best of your ability. Number each one of them with the chalk.

Take a shot of all of the circles and the numbers individually, showing the measurements on the close up photos, so that someone does not imply that you are just reshooting the same few problem areas over and over again.

If it does go to small claims court, prior to any repairs done by you or another contractgor, take a video of the inspection you are doing, with a narrative added for dramatic effect, but keep the drama resonable.

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Old 08-31-2007, 11:18 AM   #66
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Hears the story on the offsets: Factory states, full 6 12 17 Full, ! Heres what I found. imposible to tell for sure what end they started at.

1st full, 2nd 27& 1/2, 3rd 22, 4th, 10 consider this the right side rear on house.

Now going to the left side rear of house I have 22&1/4, 27&1/2, 34, 3, yes that is correct 3 inchs. see photo.




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3# piece has 2 nails next to each other holding it in. Here is another odd thing. Some shingles are 36" and some are 37". Whats up with that?.

When the shingles were delivered they were paper bundles. But, they were short 16 bundles. So the oder went in for16 more bundles, only they don't deliver them here to my home. The roofer redirects them to his home stating he can bring them over in his truck. When he arrives there are only 9 bundles in his truck. The the color code is the same, but the shingles were wrapped in plastic.
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The english shingle is supposed to be 36 and 15/16 inchs.
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Looks like your area sells standard. My area sells only metric. Hopefully, you saved one of the bundle wrappers for install instructions. The 3 inch piece is the end of the coarse run. He started from the other end. My shingles allowed for offsets of 4" to 8". The important thing was to keep the side laps at least 4 inches away from one another (from course to course) and to not have nails within 2 inches of the side laps.

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Malcolm, some shingles are 36" and some are 37". Do you know why that might be?
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Malcolm, some shingles are 36" and some are 37". Do you know why that might be?

I don't know other than inconsistencies in the manufacturer process. My shingles were off here and there between bundles but never by more than a 1/4 inch. If they were metric it would have measured 39 3/8".
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my standards measure 36 7/8x12 h,sounds like he did something different,maybe older shingles(probably since gaf recently switched to paper on all ,the color is always the same,what about the dates and batch/lot #s
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the offsets don`t matter as much as the nail placement,typical 1)full,2)-7 1/2",3)-15",4)-22",5) back to full,but that is just for a random pattern appearance,a little different won`t matter as long as the ends are 6-7 " away from each other ,and nails are 5-6"away from the seams
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Well I just looked at every butt joint on the right rear quadrant of roof to see if there was a nail centered right below the butt joint seam. There 38 such nails. So I'm thinking there is something like 152 such nails over the whole roof. Some shingles actually overlap others.

Whoops! I did not look at the 3 rows closest to the eve, except what I could get to from the ladder. Tomorrow I will slide the ladder along to check those 3 rows.
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get GAF out to look ,and stop making such wide posts,they`re a p.i.t.a. to read
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