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Old 08-29-2007, 09:33 PM   #31
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Certified letter to him showing the manufacturers nailing specifications.

Maybe e-mail a question with the photo to the manufacturer and get their warranty response as additional ammunition.

You still owe the final retention amount if I remember correctly, so hold that up for him to complete the job in a reasonable time, from one to four weeks, to allow for him to schedule a 1/2 day for repair and further inspe3ctions.

If he does not agree to this, then alert him that the remaining funds will be used to pay for repairing his faulty workmanship.

First be nice and get both of you guys on the same page though. Make sure that the agreed upon remediation work is in writing with time frames and consequences if they are not abided to.

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Malcolm, Explain please, cut the shingle back? I would like to see such shingles pulled and replaced properly. Is that doable, or is it a pipe dream because they would make things worse. Tar over them is not a option, sooner or latter they will leak. I need to resolve this while it's fresh. A year or two goes by and I may lose all recourse.

Ridge vent is really no big deal. $100.00 and I can buy another and put it on myself. Even I can do a better job with that then they did.

Ed, I may be your field tester for the DCI ridge vent sooner than either of us thought.

It should say on your bundle wrappers how far nails should be from the side laps. My OC shingles say that there should be a minimum of 2 inches from any side lap. I was using a 6 1/2 inch offset. If the end of a shingle hit one of the nails on the shingle below, I would just cut it back a little. Architectural shingles are very forgiving with the offsets used. He will be able to pull some shingles and work in new shingles to not hit the nail line. I did that once on one I missed.
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Great idea. he's already got all the $$$.

I'll go up tomorrow & look at each and every shingle. I am not hopeful though, based on the 3 such butt joints with nails in the center just like the photo posted. I was only snooping up there if you know what I mean. I will photo and document each and every one. Even if it takes all day.

Love the letter and let GAF know. I '[ll go to GAF site to see what they say about 6 nail shingling.

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Great idea. he's already got all the $$$.

I'll go up tomorrow & look at each and every shingle. I am not hopeful though, based on the 3 such butt joints with nails in the center just like the photo posted. I was only snooping up there if you know what I mean. I will photo and document each and every one. Even if it takes all day.

Love the letter and let the GAF know.
Also, take a look at how far his offsets are. When you look at one side lap for the nail being there, look at the shingles directly above it and figure out how far the side lap lines are. You will have a bigger problem if this lines align.
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Not sure that I follow you on that. Sorry
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I think he means to make sure the side butt joint of the shingles from the next row higher do not align with the side butt joint of the shingle just below it.

Also, he was not referring to 6 nail shingling, but instead to the distance of an offsett he seperated each new row of shingles by.

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Old 08-29-2007, 11:10 PM   #37
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I'll need to get over to the rake to see that best. I think. I will try to see just went down.
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What Ed said
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consumer protection ,better business bureau,your roof is garbage if they didn`t nail it right---to qualify ed`s retort on speed,Iam one of the fastest installers you will find,butquality to detail is most important,it is repetitious work and you can get a system but I have allways told anyone I`ve taught QUALITY COMES FIRST ,WE`LL WORRY ABOUT SPEED LATER!!!!!!NAILING AND SHINGLE SET PATTERNS ARE PARAMOUNT TO A PROPER INSTALLATION,PEOPLE SAY THEY DO A BETTER JOB BECAUSE OF MORE NAILS,WHEN IN REALITY IT`S WHERE YOU PUT THEM THAT`S MOST IMPORTANT!!!---WHEN YOU`RE DONE W/ THE LAWSUIT dOC,GIVE ME A CALL,I`M OFF TO WORK
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TRG is right on point with the nails having to be in the exact right place. You can't go higher or lower. It is extremely hard to hit this nail line on some of these architectural shingles. If you have some scrap pieces, turn the shingle on its side. Your will see where the shingle is double layered at the nail line. The worst possible place to nail the shingle would be right above the double lap where it transitions into single layer (overlap). From the photo you posted it looks like that is where your roofers nailed yours. If you can post a clearer pic of the nails, it would be easier to tell. That is why GAF created this high nailing area for sloppy roofers. It is actually better to high nail the shingle than to nail a little too high if that makes sense. This is how GAF shingles come in my area. I'm guessing it can be attributed to the high winds in my area. There are probably a lot of blow offs from improperly placed nails.
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Here is another. Looks a bit high on this one.

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Real high off the mark into the single layer. Broke through shingle. Did not take long to find just poking around abit. Matbe 5 mins. Lotsa nails at butt joints, some on the line most not. Called roofer left msg insisting he call me tonite. But you know what, I am not optimistic with regard to getting this fix. There are so many badly nailed shingles I can't see just pulling them. I think it all needs be done over. It will take a court of law to do that.


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Yeah, if those were OC, they would be nailed in the overlap area. My neighbors house was done the exact same way; they nailed it in the overlap. If they are going to be that sloppy, they should just high nail it another inch or so. GAF says that nailing the overlap is the worst possible location for a fastener. I can't believe your shingles haven't sealed yet. I can't even pull mine up after a couple of days without causing damage. That roofer needs to get there asap before it seals down. I bet you he is just going to want to put a dab of tar on those nail heads. I have to admit that I did that on one or two nails. They weren't directly on the side laps, but they were too close to the 2 in allowance OC recommended. Therefore, I just put a dab of tar on it for good measure. I wouldn't do that if it fell right on the side laps like yours do.
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He just called me. Told me to place nails where GAF says he would need a tape measure. Good Lord my stomachs in knots. He said I'm worrying to much and I won't have problem. Dos not want me up there breaking seals. Won't do anything about it other taking a look , dabbing silicon on a few that I can show him. Says thats the way he dos all his house and never had a problem.

If I fight this it will cost more than the roof.
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He just called me. Told me to place nails where GAF says he would need a tape measure. Good Lord my stomachs in knots. He said I'm worrying to much and I won't have problem. Dos not want me up there breaking seals. Won't do anything about it other taking a look , dabbing silicon on a few that I can show him. Says thats the way he dos all his house and never had a problem.

If I fight this it will cost more than the roof.

You don't need a tape measure. You can get in in the general vicinity. There isn't a roof out there where every shingle is nailed precisely to spec. The reason the nails fell out of line (I bet) is because he chose a different offset than the manufacturer suggested. If you look on the bundle wrapper it will tell you the suggested offset and the nail placement. If you follow these two things your nails shouldn't get lined up with your side laps.

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