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Old 06-11-2009, 06:54 PM   #46
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With all due respect......it's only been 9 days and you haven't started yet either.

You don't have to "wait around" for a contractor. He doesn't 'have' to do the job. You hired him, but you are not his boss persay, meaning you are not paying him by the hour. There is a big difference when hiring a contractor and buying a hamburger. This is why we never guarantee any times of when we will be there and when we will be done.

I'm sorry sir, but only 9 days....I would gladly give your money back and go to the next job.
This deal has been in the works much longer than 9 days, I just happened to give him the deposit 9 days ago. And as long as he has my deposit, I do have to wait around on him and he does have to do the job, unless he gives it back, which he is now refusing. The weather has been great for him to start when he said he would, or even a week or so later. I couldn't possibly have started myself until Wednesday, because I was waiting for my school quarter to be over, and also I was trying to gather the tools, materials, and knowledge. It rained Weds and today. I will start tomorrow.

I understand that you might be a contractor yourself, but still can't believe that you are siding with this guy. I guess you never met him though and don't see him like I do.

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Old 06-11-2009, 07:01 PM   #47
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On the net, it is very tough to get the full story and specifics. I apologize........but

A contractor, or anyone you hire does NOT have to do the work, unless he gave you a set date. Then, that is his own fault for not being a good business man.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:29 PM   #48
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On the net, it is very tough to get the full story and specifics. I apologize........but

A contractor, or anyone you hire does NOT have to do the work, unless he gave you a set date. Then, that is his own fault for not being a good business man.
Initially (before I gave him the deposit), he was bad about keeping his word about when he would come over. When I gave him the deposit, I made him sign a contract with a set start date (with the only exception being if it rained). He was ok with this and signed it and continued to not show up and not call, as he did before I gave him the deposit, which made me start to think otherwise of him.

The only reason that I felt that he HAD to do the work was because I gave him a deposit and he promised a certain date. If I hadn't given him the deposit, I would have just moved on...
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My shingles are 14" high, with 6" exposed and 8" unexposed. So I will need flashing at least 9" long? I will have to return what I bought then because what I bought is 5" by 7". Do I bend the flashing on the short axis or the longer axis?

Yes, 5x7's are what we use on standard shingles with '12" high' and you bend them on the long axis.

I'm not really sure about the L flashing, but I will look at the Depot tonight to see what they have. Is that stuff sold in one big piece, like 2 feet by 3 feet? Also I guess I still need the counter flashing...

You'll find rolls of coil stock, just flat metal and cut and bend it yourself.

Rain today and yesterday, so now tomorrow is the big day...
Yes Lowes, Home Depot and Most lumber yards will have what you need.
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Old 06-11-2009, 08:16 PM   #50
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I to should be offering an apology here, to both Ed and MJW as well as to you
dc4nomore.
I should not have judged/assumed the roofer you are dealing with was a hack/flybinite and should have waited to respond with tips on installation procedures until that situation was settled,
which after re-reading your first post I thought it was.

The roofer at best was unprofessional in how he handle things,
but with out speaking to him neither I nor anyone else here should judge him beyond the unprofessional comments,
which no personal or work related circumstances I can think of would excuse the fact that he not only did not call you but did not respond to your calling him until after multiple attempts.

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Yes Lowes, Home Depot and Most lumber yards will have what you need.
Ok I bought some 10, 14, and 20 inch roll flashing. It is much cheaper than the pre-cut pieces.

Slyfox, you mentioned that you were going to add more on counter flashing when you got a chance? I understand that this goes on after the shingles (I think), so if you could fill me in on that in the next day or so, or whenever you have time, I'd appreciate it.

Now the weathermen are calling for a 30% chance of rain tomorrow. I cannot afford to lose this weekend, so I am going to start anyways, and have tarps ready if I need to cover up quickly.

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I to should be offering an apology here, to both Ed and MJW as well as to you
dc4nomore.
I should not have judged/assumed the roofer you are dealing with was a hack/flybinite and should have waited to respond with tips on installation procedures until that situation was settled,
which after re-reading your first post I thought it was.

The roofer at best was unprofessional in how he handle things,
but with out speaking to him neither I nor anyone else here should judge him beyond the unprofessional comments,
which no personal or work related circumstances I can think of would excuse the fact that he not only did not call you but did not respond to your calling him until after multiple attempts.

God rules in black & white, we humans live in shades of gray.
I've never heard the terms hack or flybinite used to describe someone, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think I have an idea.

The guy that I dealt with is not at all a "professional" roofer, but seems more like a guy who does roofing often, but more on a weekend, under-the-table kind of thing.

I'm not entirely sure of everyone's (sylfox, ed, and MJW) opinion here, and realize that there may be a "stick together" mentality among people of the same trade, but I certainly did not intend to and hope I did not offend anyone here with my comments regarding the roofer I dealt with. I sincerely apologize if I did.

I thought 100% that this guy was trying to rip me off until he answered the phone when the police officer called him. I'm not sure I even believe him now and think he may have just been saying he intended to do the job, simply because it was a cop who called him. But regardless, I am very thankful that you all DID respond with such informative and helpful comments, especially slyfox. Otherwise, I may not have gained the confidence to attempt this job myself. I actually wish I had come here first, then maybe I would have just done the job myself without ever getting any local roofers involved.

Now it's off to bed...I've got to get up early in the morning.

Thanks again.

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I have never installed roofs in that area, but, johnk and a few others who have speak of Malarky and IKO.
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I've never heard the terms hack or flybinite used to describe someone, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think I have an idea.

The guy that I dealt with is not at all a "professional" roofer, but seems more like a guy who does roofing often, but more on a weekend, under-the-table kind of thing.

I'm not entirely sure of everyone's (sylfox, ed, and MJW) opinion here, and realize that there may be a "stick together" mentality among people of the same trade, but I certainly did not intend to and hope I did not offend anyone here with my comments regarding the roofer I dealt with. I sincerely apologize if I did.

I thought 100% that this guy was trying to rip me off until he answered the phone when the police officer called him. I'm not sure I even believe him now and think he may have just been saying he intended to do the job, simply because it was a cop who called him. But regardless, I am very thankful that you all DID respond with such informative and helpful comments, especially slyfox. Otherwise, I may not have gained the confidence to attempt this job myself. I actually wish I had come here first, then maybe I would have just done the job myself without ever getting any local roofers involved.

Now it's off to bed...I've got to get up early in the morning.

Thanks again.
There's no 'blue wall' here sir,
I just realized i had started helping you before you had actually terminated your contract with the roofer.

Hope all went well today, if you did get the hole day in,
jump in the shower starting out with luke warm water and rinse down real good, than make it hotter, you get those pores opened up and cleaned of all that roof dust.
Drink lots of water during the day and never drink milk or any dairy products while your working on the roof, that includes no mayo on your sandwiches at lunch.
Dairy products in your stomach will actually curl and spoil inside you after you eat them and spend a few hours on the really hot roof.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:35 PM   #55
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My roof at the old house had 5 layers on it
Ripping that off was not fun - very hot
I used to freeze 1/3 of a 2l bottle filled with water
Then I would add water to it & bring it up on the roof
I would go thru a couple bottles a day - some just to wet my hair/cool off

Becoming dehyrated can be a big problem
As can too much sun
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There's no 'blue wall' here sir,
I just realized i had started helping you before you had actually terminated your contract with the roofer.

Hope all went well today, if you did get the hole day in,
jump in the shower starting out with luke warm water and rinse down real good, than make it hotter, you get those pores opened up and cleaned of all that roof dust.
Drink lots of water during the day and never drink milk or any dairy products while your working on the roof, that includes no mayo on your sandwiches at lunch.
Dairy products in your stomach will actually curl and spoil inside you after you eat them and spend a few hours on the really hot roof.
Well I just don't want you to feel bad for helping me "too soon." I didn't even know I was in a contract really, and honestly thought the guy was bailing on me.

This morning was raining slightly. It was wet until early afternoon, so I wasn't able to get started until close to 4pm. My dad and a friend of mine came over to help. We got one side of the roof completely stripped and free of old nails, and brushed clean. That took us until 8pm. Then we cleaned up a bit and they left and I spent two hours in the dark trying to cover the roof with tarps. That was tough, and probably a little dangerous. Then I had to make sure all the tools/ladders were brought inside and I just now got out of the shower. I'm exhausted. It was definitely a lot of work.

Tomorrow it is only supposed to be nice until early afternoon, so I first I have to take all the old shingles to a landfill and dump them. We'll have to manually unload a trailer full so that will take a little bit of time. Then hopefully I can replace a few broken boards, add nails to all of the existing 1x6's (many are loose), and finally get the felt paper down. And of course I'll have to cover with tarps again just to be safe. Rain Saturday night but Sunday is supposed to be nice so maybe I'll be able to start shingling then.
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Wow. Today I am even more exhausted than yesterday. It ended up being nice all day, so we got a lot done. We worked from about 9am to 8pm. I got all the loose boards nailed down, and several new 1x6's cut and put in (about 10) to replace broken or rotten wood. Then I took all the old flashing out. I understand now how the counter flashing goes in after looking at that. Then I got all the felt paper down and recovered with tarps.

If tomorrow is nice we will begin with the shingle laying. I'm not sure how long that will take but hopefully we can get it done in one day.

This all of course is only on one half of the roof. I've still got to do the other half. If weather is nice, I'll start that next weekend.
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Good progress
Yeah, the pros make it look easy
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Good progress
Yeah, the pros make it look easy
Haha yes they do! But they usually show up with about 10 guys and knock the whole thing out in 2 days. If I have two people to help me with the rest, I'm thinking it will take me at least 6 days, possibly more if it takes more than one day each to lay the shingles on each side of the roof.

And I was having some major problems with my "slapstick" type stapler. I got two of them at harbor freight for $13 each, so maybe that's why. But they kept jamming and either not shooting the staples in all the way or shooting them in all kinked and crooked. I was using 1/2" staples, so for the other half I am thinking of using 3/8" staples to see if that helps. But I'm pretty sure one of my slapsticks is completely broken now. I may have to buy another one. Can anyone recommend a better/more durable one?

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Glad it's going good thus far, are we going to see some pictures?

You should take a couple pictures of wood replacement, felt paper installed, vents, flashing's 'pipe and chimney' and the shingles during install showing your fastening patterns, etc.
Than write down the information on the shingle wrappers,
lot#, date, which plant they came out of 'manufacturers have several plants', color, life span '25yr, 30yr, etc.' and put all the info- into a folder and keep safe, like where ever you keep your insurance documents, etc.

It's information you will need should you end up in failed roofing material situation.

Roofing material failures are the lease cause of premature failure,
"workmanship being the number one cause, weather number two"
but they do happen, thus it's better to be prepared.


We haven't spoke about proper ventilation much yet,
there are 3 steps to be taken.
1. Intake, normally in the overhang coverings.
2. Free Flow, unobstructed air flow from the eave to the ridge.
3. Exhaust, vents placed near or on the ridge.

The exhaust vents in your case,
14 square roof, gable to gable with no valleys or hips,
four box vents across the back side of the home would be the minimum,
eight would be the maximum.
They should be placed uniformly.

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