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Old 05-06-2009, 09:33 AM   #16
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The price difference will be larger than what your quoting.
You don't go by the price of what new construction would be and add,
you go by what a re-roof would be and subtract.
If a re-roof cost a thousand a lay-over would cost eight hundred.

In Texas, the sub-labor price per square for a 'basic, 1 story walkable' is around $ 45.00.

In Texas, the price for new construction on the same roof is going to run around $ 20.00 to $ 25.00 per square (this is with felt already in place, & since we all know felt goes pretty fast, this mostly means no added trip charge because it's just about more effort to drive out there than to actually dry it in).

Take a full re-roofing price per square, subtract the new construction cost & then add back in the extra effort for all the hip & ridge trimming, valley trimming, reveal cutoffs, flashing adjustments...

I'm confident in my price.

$ 850.00.


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Old 05-06-2009, 10:06 AM   #17
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Just an FYI for you Sly.

Mark, from Ranch Hand Roofing, in my opinion, is one of the upper level elite contractors on the boards, just like the small circle of contractors that you and I both respect.

Plus, he makes really cool drawings for his posts and for his customers, so they can visualize what and where he is talking about.

Now, if I could only convince him to sign up to yet another Forum or two, he-he-he-he-he.....

He would really be an asset over on either www.RoofingTalk.com or NRGforums where Chris also has all sorts of goodies in store for NRG Members, like The Roofing Channel and Roofing Campus and Roofing Entrepeneur, etc...

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Old 05-06-2009, 10:22 AM   #18
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Now, if I could only convince him to sign up to yet another Forum or two, he-he-he-he-he.....

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Old 05-06-2009, 01:23 PM   #19
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In Texas, the sub-labor price per square for a 'basic, 1 story walkable' is around $ 45.00.

In Texas, the price for new construction on the same roof is going to run around $ 20.00 to $ 25.00 per square (this is with felt already in place, & since we all know felt goes pretty fast, this mostly means no added trip charge because it's just about more effort to drive out there than to actually dry it in).

Take a full re-roofing price per square, subtract the new construction cost & then add back in the extra effort for all the hip & ridge trimming, valley trimming, reveal cutoffs, flashing adjustments...

I'm confident in my price.

$ 850.00.

There's a difference between a cover-over and a lay-over.

A cover-over is simply installing new shingles over top of existing.
A lay-over is when you encapsule the existing with new, using flashing, drip edge, new shingles, etc.

A cover-over wouldn't take much longer to install than a new construction roof.
A lay-over will be much closer to the time frame of a re-roof.
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Just an FYI for you Sly.

Mark, from Ranch Hand Roofing, in my opinion, is one of the upper level elite contractors on the boards, just like the small circle of contractors that you and I both respect.

Plus, he makes really cool drawings for his posts and for his customers, so they can visualize what and where he is talking about.

Now, if I could only convince him to sign up to yet another Forum or two, he-he-he-he-he.....

He would really be an asset over on either www.RoofingTalk.com or NRGforums where Chris also has all sorts of goodies in store for NRG Members, like The Roofing Channel and Roofing Campus and Roofing Entrepeneur, etc...

Ed
I assumed that when I read his post and saw you had asked him to join over here.
I know you would not invite anyone who was less than a professional.
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:05 AM   #21
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I assumed that when I read his post and saw you had asked him to join over here.
I know you would not invite anyone who was less than a professional.
Oh Yeah! He let me in!

Seriously though, look at the first pic a bit more closely. At the bottom of the valley. 3 replacement shingles. # 2 and #3 are keyway over keyway. Or I should get different glasses.
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:45 AM   #22
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According to rep's from Tamko, Certainteed and OC the warranties don't change.
It's just a matter of proper installment the same as in new construction and re-roof issues.
I haven't gotten a reply from Gaf/Elk, Atlas and IKO yet.
Thanks, Sly. I wondered about that because in the cold climate I moved from it seemed to be fairly common practice, but here on the coast, except for a couple old "half fast" obvious DIY jobs, I haven't seen it done at all. My first thought was wind, but I guess it's the heat factor.
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This roof is 8 years old and some shingles were blown off by the massive Ike hurricane in Houston. One day after the incident, we immediately had a contractor temporary covered it with some new shingles instead of using the ugly blue tarps to buy us time to evaluate our roof fixing options.

More facts: about 15 of the 25 tabs (this is a 33.4 squares roof) were being removed from wind-related looseness (rather than totally blown off the roof, which are about 10 tabs). Of the blown off ones, the black roof felt was still there to protect from water penetration. There was no leaks. With that history discussed, we want to explore our options. One option is a layover with a 30-yr and 130 MPH laminated-type shingles since the existing shingles are:
a) still in good condition (see pics),

b) is flat
c) not brittle nor crack.

With those variables, we concluded its substrate is a good candidate for an overlay. So here are the questions for the pros on this board:

1) Do you agree it is indeed a good candidate for a layover? Yes, money saved does play a role since the insurance $ net us only $2,000 after depreciation and deductible.

2) If so, how do we do the valley flashings? Do I tear of the tabs of the existing valley and reflash or lay the metal flashing over the existing shingles and the new shingles over the new flash?

I hope I give enough information to help you help me. Thanks for your inputs.
you will get the depreation money back as soon as the job is done. But you have a limited window to get the work done. You are running out of time to get your money back, UNLESS you are able to give your adjuster a good reason you had to wait. LIKE everyone being too busy and you had to wait. DONT LEAVE THAT MONEY ON THE TABLE.
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OK, so I'm late to the party. Ed sent me info on this thread via the roofing.com bbs... & now I'm signed up for yet another forum. <sigh>

Anyhow, a few things.

1. To me, this says you're trying to sub-contract this project yourself. A roof is too easy an area to cut corners & if you're unable to tell right from wrong on a roof, then you may get cheated in important areas.
This is assuming you're going to go down to ABC near Westheimer & hunt down a sub crew on your own.
2. Insurance is paying the bill, minus your deductible. You state "netted us", however that's not right. Your depreciation is a recoverable dollar amount, so once the work is complete, they WILL send this money. The $ 2,000.00 you mention is merely their 1st payment.
3. If you are just now getting around to contracting out the job, then insurance owes you more money. Prices have adjusted upwards & a good contractor will make a new request to your insurance co. for added money on a supplemental.
4. In Texas, the cost for new construction (no tear off, no felt, shingles only), i.e. the difference for NOT doing a total re-roofing is going to be around $ 20.00 - $ 25.00 or so on a per square basis.

On a 34 square job, that's a total "savings" of $ 850.00 (maybe less since the reveal tabs need to be trimmed off on the 1st 3 courses, the valleys need to be trimmed up, hip & ridge cap needs to be removed, modified flashing, etc.)

Is all of this aggravation & wringing of hands really worth $ 850.00??

5. Me, I'd do a layover but only if the customer acknowledges in writing that they don't get a full warranty (more like a 30 second warranty). SlyFox mentions cutting away selected sample areas on the roof, but really, that's just getting dressed in a closet with the lights off; some days, you'll end up looking pretty ugly when it's all done.

Again, $ 850.00... is it really worth it?

You said it all befor I did I should have kept reading.

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