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Old 01-04-2013, 10:02 AM   #121
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You can make any kind of soffit material you want with a good router table, but you cant make a good roofer with one. Find somebody who knows what the NRCA steep roofing manual is and belongs to the NRCA. If they dont know what NRCA means, dont hire them. If they cant read, dont hire them. If they drink, dont hire them.

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Old 01-04-2013, 10:12 AM   #122
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You can make any kind of soffit material you want with a good router table, but you cant make a good roofer with one. Find somebody who knows what the NRCA steep roofing manual is and belongs to the NRCA. If they dont know what NRCA means, dont hire them. If they cant read, dont hire them. If they drink, dont hire them.
I agree with you! Except about the drinking. I don't fully trust people who never drink.

You sound like a smart guy, so... any ideas for my roof vent diagram question?
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:39 AM   #123
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Forget about trying to vent this roof. You will let in wind blown rain. Ventilation for the benefit of roof shingles is BS perpetrated by mfgrs as a scapegoat for bad materials produced in the late 70's (Oil Shortage) and early 80's. Think about how many homes had no ridge venting years ago, and their shingles lasted up to 30 years and more. Wood (The Deck) is an insulator. Color has a lot more to do with Max temperature of the shingles than ventilation does. Even then, convection cools shingles, not underdeck ventilation.

The guy you have is an idiot. You cant have exhaust without intake. With your configuration you would need a complete deck over sleepers to get ventilation. Forget it.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:53 AM   #124
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Forget about trying to vent this roof. You will let in wind blown rain. Ventilation for the benefit of roof shingles is BS perpetrated by mfgrs as a scapegoat for bad materials produced in the late 70's (Oil Shortage) and early 80's. Think about how many homes had no ridge venting years ago, and their shingles lasted up to 30 years and more. Wood (The Deck) is an insulator. Color has a lot more to do with Max temperature of the shingles than ventilation does. Even then, convection cools shingles, not underdeck ventilation.
I completely agree with you. I did not want vents, and would not have hired him had his contract included ventilation.

Unfortunately, he cut vents into the roof without asking me. And our building inspector has now said he will fail the roof without vents. So, I'm being forced to install them.

So I'm trying to at least install them in the least-likely-to-f-up-the-entire-house way. Any suggestions on my diagram?

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The guy you have is an idiot.
I wholeheartedly agree! I want to punch him every time we talk.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:15 AM   #125
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Find somebody who knows what the NRCA steep roofing manual is and belongs to the NRCA. If they dont know what NRCA means, dont hire them. If they cant read, dont hire them. If they drink, dont hire them.
Being a member of the NRCA is a prerequisite for being a high-quality roofer? Dang I guess I just wasted 30 years of my life. Guess I best put my application in at McDonalds.

Or maybe that's a very myopic statement
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:12 PM   #126
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Being a member of the NRCA is a prerequisite for being a high-quality roofer? Dang I guess I just wasted 30 years of my life. Guess I best put my application in at McDonalds.

Or maybe that's a very myopic statement
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:21 PM   #127
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Roofmaster! My best friend in the cyberworld! Hero of my roofing job! (Do I need to butter you up more, or is that sufficient?) Whaddya think of my little roofing vents post here?
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If your attic is completely open, then yes only the highest ridges would be vented. If the dormers aren't connected to the main attic space, they would be vented separately. As is, assuming one big open attic, the lower vented ridges will be the *intake*.
I noticed that your chimney is at the very peak of four ridges, that can be complicated to flash, hopefully hes up to it.
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I think the ridge vent would function properly with soffits.

Since its code to have them then try to maximize its effectiveness.Or after your roof passes inspection have him remove the ridge vent,,,close the holes and install the ridge vent back over to give the appearance of ridge vent,,,hahahahaha
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If your attic is completely open, then yes only the highest ridges would be vented. If the dormers aren't connected to the main attic space, they would be vented separately.
It's all one big space.

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As is, assuming one big open attic, the lower vented ridges will be the *intake*.
And that would be bad, right? Am I correct in my belief that that would ADD moisture to the attic?

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I noticed that your chimney is at the very peak of four ridges, that can be complicated to flash, hopefully hes up to it.
I am now roflcoptering around the room. Cause if I don't laugh, I'll start crying again. Cause the horrible thing is that we just had the chimney perfectly restuccoed and reflashed just last year.
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Or after your roof passes inspection have him remove the ridge vent,,,close the holes and install the ridge vent back over to give the appearance of ridge vent,,,hahahahaha
Trust me, I've already started researching how I can properly un-vent a ridge vent!

Are you ok, then, with all 4 ridges having ridge vents? Even though the 2 dormer ridges are some feet lower than the other 2?
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See those roofs I circled? Wanna know why I circled them? Cause the roofers were here for 8 hours today. And in those 8 hours, they managed to remove the one layer of shingles and paper off those roofs, replace the rotted parts of the sheathing, and ice shield and tar paper those roofs. And THAT'S ALL. In 8 hours.

Calling them seems like an insult to .

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See those roofs I circled? Wanna know why I circled them? Cause the roofers were here for 8 hours today. And in those 8 hours, they managed to remove the one layer of shingles and paper off those roofs, replace the rotted parts of the sheathing, and ice shield and tar paper those roofs. And THAT'S ALL. In 8 hours.

Calling them seems like an insult to .
Just making sure you get your moneys worth.

But I would be extremely upset if the shingles were not installed after all that time.

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The 2 workers did not get the shingles on. Nor did they get the flashing or ridge caps finished on the porch roof today (which they started yesterday).

But they did manage to get in a 15 minute break every hour, plus the normal hour for lunch.

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