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Old 01-10-2013, 10:49 AM   #166
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It really doesn't matter. There could be a hundred reasons he chose to use that particular contractor to do the gutters. I doubt you signed a contract that said only employees of his company can work on your house. The contract just said he was responsible for making sure it gets done one way or another. If it gets correctly, you have no complaint at all. If it doesn't, you have a complaint with him directly.
Thanks for the info-- so if I'm reading you correctly, the roofer is responsible even if he subcontracts out to another company. In other words, if the gutter guys break my windows during the installation, I sue the roofer cause that's who I have the contract with. And if the gutter guys fall off their ladders, it's the roofing guy's workers comp that covers their injuries. Yes?

For my own edification going forward, is it possible to have the main contractor make a list, right in the contract, all of the sub-companies that are going to do any work detailed in the contract? Is that something I can reasonably ask for? I would have liked to have researched these guys before I had them here at the house.

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Old 01-10-2013, 10:52 AM   #167
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Jeff is correct. As long as the work is done according to the specifications he can hire who he wants. Key word here is (Specifications, like in specific)

To bad you didnt at least have reference standards, like NRCA, (National Roofing Contractors of America) and SMACNA, (Sheet Metal and Air Conditioning National Association) then you could point to them as the standard of work you want.

In commercial work, I have a place where an owner can stipulate who he will not accept as a sub, based on past experience, etc.

Now what is wrong with letting the women pick the colors, or saying that they have a better feel for it. I thought it was a complement.

Us old timers cant be politically correct even when we are trying to be, so whats the use of trying ? I guess Ill just stay crass till they screw me into the ground.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:58 AM   #168
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It makes a lot of sense to have a "gutter guy" come out and do the gutters. That's their specialty and they should have the equipment and skills to get you a good product and a good price. Obviously it all comes down to the specific gutter guy hired though. In your case, with all the problems you've had with your contractor's crew, you are probably better off that they are not the ones doing your gutters. In fact, you probably would have been better off had he also subcontracted the roof to someone that specializes in shingled roofs.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:22 AM   #169
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the roofer is responsible even if he subcontracts out to another company. In other words, if the gutter guys break my windows during the installation, I sue the roofer cause that's who I have the contract with.
Sure. Of course sometimes these things work out differently. Sometimes if the roofer is slack, but the gutter company is good, and they might offer to cover it even if the roofer gives you a hard time.

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And if the gutter guys fall off their ladders, it's the roofing guy's workers comp that covers their injuries. Yes?
That's up to how they set their agreement up. It depends on the nature of the "hire".

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For my own edification going forward, is it possible to have the main contractor make a list, right in the contract, all of the sub-companies that are going to do any work detailed in the contract? Is that something I can reasonably ask for?
Sure, you can ask for whatever you want in the contract. Well, there are some things that won't legally fly. You can't put illegal things in there, like "we both agree to not pay the IRS for any taxes on any financial transactions" or silly things like that. You also can't sign away certain legal rights. But you can certainly specify that no subcontractors can be used, or certain subcontractors must or can't be used. A common one would be something along the lines of your brother in law owns a dumpster service, they must use his company to get the job. Then at that point the contractor would say "I've already got a contract with another company and I must use them for insurance reasons for all jobs", or "I've got a big discount with this other company so that will cost you $100 extra", or "Sure, no problem", or "No, I refuse" and you go from there.
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Now what is wrong with letting the women pick the colors, or saying that they have a better feel for it. I thought it was a complement.

Us old timers cant be politically correct even when we are trying to be, so whats the use of trying ? I guess Ill just stay crass till they screw me into the ground.
If you saw the way I dress, or my idea of "matching", you'd know why I laughed at that idea! I imagine you'd consider my sense of aesthetics to be very masculine.
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You mean like stripes with checks like Shannon Sharp?
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I had to Google Shannon Sharpe, cause I didn't know who that was. If we're going that route, I'm more of a Don Cherry fan.

But for me, it's more like workout pants, old tshirt, and an oversized flannel. Every day. Sometimes I switch it up with jeans if, you know, we're going somewhere special.
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Well, I wear sweat pants with the smooth (outer) side in as my usual garb. Why should I deal with the rough side? A tee shirt with a pocket for my Sansa Fuze MP3 Player, upon which classic books and the teaching company audios reside. (Currently The rise and fall of the British Empire) wool socks, sandles, (unless there is snow) and a hooded sweatshirt. Beard, Yes. No sharp stuff at my neck in the AM. I might slip. Oh, and a baseball cap, and lands end three season if its really cold out when I take McKenzie (Our Aussie Doodle) for a walk.

Think Ill have a cuppa with honey.

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PS Where are you in NJ? I grew up in NJ.

HAH LOL I just Googled Don Cherry, Now I know who stole all the drapes out in Frisco!!!
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I do roofs,siding,gutters and have all the equipment to do them myself but a lot of time (Depending on volume) I am un able to do them myself so I have back ups.

My subs are hand picked and IMHPO are the best in the business for my areas of coverage.And if for some reason everyone is super swamped (Storm seasons) those projects will wait.Under no circumstances will I hire a new crew and use them in an act of desperation.

I have yet (Knock on wood) have an issue with a customer getting upset because I am not willing nor wanting to "Take that chance" reputation is everything to me and bringing change to an otherwise functionible scenario is out of the question.

If one of my roofers,siders or gutter guys damages anything or provides a "Faulty" installation I take full responsibility that's first and foremost.I will then contact the installer and have a meeting with the customer to address the situation.Everyone has something at some point that goes array but its all about how you handle the situation if and when it should ever come up.Bottom line is my name is on the contract and my responsibility in the eyes of the customer and the law is full responsibility for the project.

Any company for any reason can have a suit or complaint.Without the true hard cold facts its difficult to provide an accurate detail about the company.I always ask about the complaint.And I don't ask anyone but the owner also I don't have a whole lot of faith in the BBB just for the simple fact the KKK has an A+ business rating.And if they can have an excellent rating anyone can.

My wife plays an important roll in my business.So many (Several thousand) homeowners have asked her opinion in regards to colorzation,blending,mixing etc.And she is @ 100% with customer appreciation since doing so.NEVER a complaint with her designs.

The most difficult project I have ever done in terms of colors was a daycare.The customer wanted all the basic colors but mixed for siding.,The project ended up being 5 different colors,,,Premium materials in White,Blue,Yellow,Green and Red.Sounds simple ? The roof was green but she pulled it off and although the complexity of color blending,,she was the champion for this project.

Had I have designed the blend it would have looked like Big bird,The Grouch,Elmo in a blue Corvette had a head on collision with an ice cream truck.

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Old 01-10-2013, 03:40 PM   #175
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Thats a heck of a comment for the kids in the Day Care Center.

Sesame Street wiped out in one fell swoop.

PS Nice Ram.
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Well, the gutters are done, and I guess they look fine. But we won't know if they work until there's a heavy rain.

There's some fresh damage to my siding shingles. It's right next to where there's a main downspout. So I have to assume the damage is from ladders.

Before we started the project, we had the previous owner's discount paint job that looked mostly ok, but would probably need to be redone before we could sell the house (assuming we were gonna be here at least 5 years).

After 22 days without gutters, two heavy rain storms, four or five days of showers, two wind advisories, a roof's worth of materials thrown off the roof, and the endless moving of ladders and people against our shingles every day, we will likely need to repaint the entire house in the next year.

I ing hate this roofer, and want to do to his house what he did to mine.
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Hren,,Most of the time people who do that type of rude stuff live in houses that are basically taped together with scotch tape and you could do no worse to their property.Cut the grass and you find extra lawn mowers and vehicles that during their drunken stupor called and had reported stolen but in fact the grass over grew the car.
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PS Where are you in NJ? I grew up in NJ.
Essex County, right where Essex, Bergen, Passaic, and Hudson all meet. We moved from NYC about two years ago when my man got a job transfer. We're still getting over the culture shock. Correction: we'll never get over the culture shock. At least we found a good bagel place nearby.

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HAH LOL I just Googled Don Cherry, Now I know who stole all the drapes out in Frisco!!!
Hockey Night in Canada is a vacation treat for us whenever we go to Montreal. I lived up there for six months when I was in school. Don Cherry is an institution.
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In today's episode, we find Hren once again on the verge of hysteria over her never-ending roof project.

So...the building inspector is sick today, and our inspection has been moved to the end of next week. Good thing I moved all of my appointments for today and woke up at the crack of dawn. UGH.

Someone wanna throw a brick at my head?

Seriously, though, I'm sorry for him that he's sick. It sounds like the horrible flu that people have been getting. And if he's got it, I wouldn't want him at my house anyway!
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Don Cherry looks like he should be in an institution! LOL

Take it from me, That Flu is a B***h. I am still trying to kick it. Went up to my brother-in-laws and my sister in law was passing it around as a Christmas present, so you might want to reverse my first statement to: That B***h is a Flu.

Well good luck, anyway. Question, You need a Permit for a re-roof in NJ now?

What BS. Did you make any structural changes? I guess Obamas influence is trickling down. Pretty soon toilet paper will be a roll of permits that you pre- pay the local yokels for.


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